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Old_man
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Benefits equate to more wages, the difference is when the cost of a benefit increases the actual wage automatically increases.
If workers pay a percentage of these benefits they would be more amenable to cost saving measures.
Either way workers must be more flexible with the company to help control what the company has to pay to maintain a decent level of necessary benefits.
Even if this means a cut in salary.
(The company's bottom line considered)
If profits are very good, then the company should share this good fortune.

The cost of medical insurance is rising at, I think, an unjustified rate. But that's another question.
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Scooterroid
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 01:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Heck, I don't want a $300K/year job.
I want a chick who has a $300K/year job.

You and your friend need to visit again soon, D.

Steve-O

(Message edited by scooterroid on October 18, 2006)
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Tying wages to company profits can be bad business.
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

....oh, and RISKY.

Great if you are working for GOOGLE right now.

In my construction business I thought it'd be cool to incent folks. We had a plan, worked out between myself and all the Foremen every year, for what I needed to make on my investment.

Beyond that, they got a chunk that rose exponentially. For instance, let's say I wanted a 5% R.O.I., anything aobve 5%, they split 50% amongst themselves, above 10%, they split 65%, and so forth.

There was a year we lost a ton to sham DBE/MBE construction firms. I didn't do it, but wanted to write them all a letter..."you owe me $78,465.00".

: )

Doors, damnit, swing both ways. Workers beests interests, I would argue, are more often than we admit, closely aligned with the companies.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There you go again... bringing religion into the discussion. Distilling your outrageous behavior to it's core... "Do for others as you'd appreciate other's doing for you." FYI: Land's End usually has a good sale on robes this time of year.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Please be sure not to order the shorty version!
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Old_man
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 03:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If profits are very good, then the company should share this good fortune. I only intended this to mean an increase in the cost of agreed to benefits. Nothing else.
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Bomber
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

workers bests interests are ALWAYS aligned to the companies'

ask a Pan AM employee
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bomber. Lead pipes haven't been used in YEARS.
Call me crazy, but I've never heard of Union Only work in Chicago. Sure, some of the building require it, but not the city as a whole.
Some of the Businesses require USA made pipe and fittings. Are they screwing anyone.
Illinois requires the Sprinkler Company to hold a state license. There is plenty of non- union around.
I guess most Municipalities would prefer well trained and people educated on the lasted equipment to do the work.
Rhun couldn't have put it any better.
We are rquired to have continuing Education.
I hold a Wisconsin State License and Backflow Tester/Installer/Repair License as well. I'm Certified in Confind Space Entre. National Underground Certified.
30 Hour OSHA training. Lift Operator Certified.
Went through Hazard Training at Abbott Labs.
CPR Certified. I'd have to run out to my work van to get the rest.
99.9% of Non -Union at least in my trade, don't have any of this. Wonder why the Fire Departments want US to do the work.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to email the UNION to let them know I'll be attending the continuing education classes for Fire Pump installation and maintenance.

(Message edited by rocketsprink on October 18, 2006)
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Bomber
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Rocket -- I'm sure you are as well qualified as you state, no doubt about it.

I'm also sure your training makes you a better candidate for the work you do. No doubt there, either.

I'll not call you carzy, but suggest you check a little closer regarding the use of lead in the Chicago building codes -- lots of plumbers wish you'd be right, I'm sure.

Also suggest you check your data wrt Union only work in Chicago. It's not a city thing (government), but if you bring a non-Union carpenter (electrician, etc etc etc) onto a job site (or try to move cubicle panels in an office), the building will shut the work down immediately, followed closely by the appropriate Union rep . . .

I certainly didn't mean to attack you, or anyone else, in any way, so I'll not apologize for the fact that you seemingly felt attacked.

Good for you on the training front.
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Buellgirlie
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

scooter - would love to. kim and i took a trip to new orleans in august. we're probably due for another trip soon - i went to nyc last aug, we went to fl in jan, she came here in apr, and we went to new orleans in aug. sorry i'm missing biketoberfest - have a great time! yes, a 300K chick would do ya good : )

court - linking wages to company performance only seems to be "ok" when its a good year. i dont get why people dont understand that risk involves both UP and DOWNside! you should hear the moaning when "bonus" isnt as high as last year/as expected/as promised - i guess people forget its a BONUS!

D
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>>workers bests interests are ALWAYS aligned to the companies'

I was in a rather vigorous debate during union negotiations one year. When we were approaching what the legal beagles would call an "impasse", I asked simply...

Tell me one thing that is good for the company and bad for the union. Tell me one thing that is good for the union and bad for the company.

Some folks me thinks, are not negotiating, simply arguing.

Deal was made and off we all went on our merry way. You are in an area now where, as a 3rd generation I.B.E.W. Lineman ,I have some REAL stories.

Back into my sandals and off for the subway. . .
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

: Lead pipe was used in plumbing systems well into the first half of the 20th Century. The last approved uses were in drain pipes, especially closet bends for toilets. The use of lead in drain pipes does not present a risk to the homeowner, but one could argue that it may allow lead to contaminate wastewater, and may thus enter the environment that way.

: A more urgent problem is lead in supply pipes, and these were used up until the 1920's and 1930's, especially at service entrances between the municipal meter and the house.

Lead is used to join waste pipe fittings, NOT Potable water. In the past, but no longer.

Bomber. No harm no foul. Was not defending myself. Just letting some people know that not all Unions or Union workers are what they seem to think.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 10:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Back into my sandals and off for the subway. . ."

And please, remember to tie your robe shut.
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Bomber
Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 08:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Rocket -- cehck chicago codes -- lead is used as the junction between city water mains and domestic pipes --

I know *I* never thought all unions/members are evil, any more than all of management is

seems to me, at work as well as in real life, you most often get what you expect. if you expect your boss/employees to be self-centered, self-important, string-wart infected, penciled-neck, mouth-breathing, microcephalic jerk . . . . . guess what?

court -- amen, what blake said!
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