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Lowflyer
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 01, 2006 - 03:34 pm: | 
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"bonanzas have a very buell-esque stature in the aviation world"
How so? |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 01, 2006 - 04:21 pm: |
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Pics from AirVenture 2006 are here. |
Court
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 01, 2006 - 05:20 pm: |
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Hehehehe. . . fun to go through the pics and find a vehicle I own. . even if it is #0093. 
Tramp, oh wise and worldly Juan . . you have nailed it.
The Bonanza is seen as a total "cult" plane in many ways similar to a Buell.
- It costs more, like say a Buell and a CBR, than many of the things with which it APPEARS to provide equal utility, yet those who crave it don't even notice the price difference.
- It's doesn't do a PARTICULAR thing better than any similar vehicles, it's just the unique way in which it does EVERYTHING that sets it apart. It's parts pale in comparison to the sum of it's parts.
- Onwers of both tedn to congregate. Like 300SL owners, few folks own V-Tails that aren't associated with some group of like minded folk.
- Don't come to the show lest you are prepared to ante up for some maintenance and lots of accesories. Case in point, as I lust over that Garmin 1000 glass cockpit I can see me crossing Kansas on I-70 eyeballing a Garmin Zumo. Owners of both gladly pay lots for really spiffy stuff they don't need.
- Owners of both have friends at home (like their FBO) but look for and create reasons to travel around the world to meet like minded folks.
- Performance, in both cases, is, at least by afficianados, attributed as much to the skills of the operator as the plane/bike itself. Trust me, with that Garmin glass I'd be no match for a REAL pilot with a stopwatch shooting a non-precision ADF approach.
Yeah...cool stuff.
I've said it before......airplanes, motorcycles, guitars and handguns. I don't explain this stuff, I just report it.
P.S. - bother anybody other than my wife that the F.A.A. gave me a pilot's license? One crash in MS Flight Simulator and she won't even talk about riding with me. |
Tripper
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 01, 2006 - 08:03 pm: |
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Glass schmazz razmatass. Remember when the RMI was a major advance in the cockpit?
Or an ADF indicator with a SLAVED compass card...
now that was flyin.
Good stuff Lee. What's the Embraer? |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 01, 2006 - 08:13 pm: |
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"Trust me, with that Garmin glass I'd be no match for a REAL pilot with a stopwatch shooting a non-precision ADF approach."
I think you need to fly some glass. You might be surprised. |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 01, 2006 - 08:18 pm: |
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Embraer Phenom 100 and 300 is the Brazilian answer to the Cessna Citation Mustang and CJ1. IOW, they are light bizjets in the $2-4M price range. They will come with Garmin G1000 as will the Diamond D-Jet.
(Message edited by lowflyer on August 01, 2006) |
Captpete
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 - 10:36 am: |
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Ahh, Court, how you sweet-talk me. I know it’s a bunch of horse-hocky, but the fanned ego can’t help but respond. Human nature, I guess.
Here’s a short one that provided me with my one token rejection slip, which I save to frame one day when I recover from said rejection, and become a wealthy and obnoxious paperback writer. (I’ve been waylaid temporarily while I recover from my editor calling me an arrogant a-hole, but I’ll be back to me old self in another week or two.)
Anyway, the editor of the flying rag I submitted it to softened the blow by including a note that said, “Great story, just directed toward too small a portion of our readership,” or something like that. I guess he didn’t think he had so many STOL pilots flipping through his pages.
What was that recent quote about getting smart being the result of doing a bunch of stupid crap and living through it? This was only one of others, which if were listed, would indicate I’m a pretty good stick if that quote be true.
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Captpete
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 - 10:47 am: |
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Fly to roll?
How 'bout fly to avalanche?
OK, that’s a loop with an inverted snap roll at the top for you straight and level types.
Where the hell is that kid that called me an old fart on this board a couple of weeks ago? I wonder if he’s one of those who reaches over and grabs your leg halfway through his first snap roll? |
Captpete
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 - 11:02 am: |
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And one more thing. In all fairness to the whole wonderful line of Bonanzas, regardless of how you like your tail(s), you who don't know should be aware that the Dr. - killer rap they have acquired is no reflection on the planes themselves. They just happen to be in the price range that doctors can afford. The problem is that the doctors, and lawyers, who buy them don't have or take the time to learn how to fly the things proficiently. It's one little problem you can't solve by throwing money at.
The sad part is that many times when they screw up, they take their families with them. |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 - 12:17 pm: |
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That falls into the 'more money than skill' category. Nonetheless, it changes not the fact that it's fun to call them Dr-Killers. |
Henrik
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 - 01:05 pm: |
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OK, that’s a loop with an inverted snap roll at the top for you straight and level types.
Is that what is also called an Immelmann after a WW I pilot?
Henrik |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 - 03:55 pm: |
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Where the hell is that kid that called me an old fart on this board a couple of weeks ago?
Yeah, Ian tells me those Bonanza's were somewhat infamous for killing more American lawyers than cancer. He also tells me the less lardy bought M20's like his.
Funny you should mention 'rolls' Capt. I recall the first time we ventured out in the Mooney. Oh about 11 years ago. How time flies, lol. We flew over Lake Windemere, which gave Ian the opportunity to showboat a little.
We did these looping rolling type dives, I seem to recall them as being 'chandelles' or similar sounding. Strangely for me, I didn't feel too well, during and after. My left side was in a little pain and I wasn't altogether with it, though I didn't grab Ian's leg! The pain continued into the next day, and beyond. Worse pain I think I can remember. I'd only come down with shingles!
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Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 - 04:28 pm: |
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>>>>M20
For people who like their tail backwards.....
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Lowflyer
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 - 04:33 pm: |
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Now that is truly the Buell of airplanes. Fast, cramped seating, technologically ahead of the competition and sexy as all get-out. |
Captpete
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 02, 2006 - 06:25 pm: |
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Is that what is also called an Immelmann after a WW I pilot?
Not exactly, Henrik. The Immelmann is a half loop with a half roll at the top. You exit the maneuver at the top, traveling in the opposite direction, and you come out of the maneuver above the entry altitude and flying slow. The half roll is a very gentle maneuver done at just above stall speed in an almost weightless situation until it is completed and level flight is resumed and the plane is accelerated to cruising speed.
You exit the avalanche at the completion of the loop, traveling in the same direction and at the same altitude as at the entry. But in order for it to work, you have to carry entry speed for the snap roll at the apex of the loop. That means the entry speed for the avalanche is much higher than for a loop, around 160 mph. In all but very high performance aerobatic planes that entry speed requires a dive to achieve. Even that part is scary for the uninitiated. Point the nose toward the ground with the throttle wide open and listen to the sounds of speed starting to tear at the fuselage, then a high-G pullout to level flight at entry speed, and then into the loop.
And also remember that a snap roll is an extremely violent maneuver. It is actually a horizontal entry into a spin, where one wing is flying and the other isn't, and then the spin is broken after one revolution. The entry, at about 90mph, is achieved by inducing an accelerated stall (yanking back on the stick/yoke as quickly as possible to exceed critical aol - angle of attack), while stomping one rudder to the stop along with max aileron input in the direction of the roll. If you ever watch a video of the occupants during a snap roll, you will see their heads are flopping around side-to-side like rag dolls.
As soon as the snap roll is over, the passenger is now pretty well disoriented, is flying upside down, and then starts hurtling to the ground again on the backside of the loop. The loop is exited at entry speed, way faster than the plane can fly on its own, and the G load coming out of it is the same as the entry, way above that of a normal loop. It’s a pretty cool maneuver.
And there ya go, Henrik. Another verbose answer to a simple question.
Where's that kid that called me an old fart? I'd sure like to take him for a little ride. Might change his perspective a little when it comes to us extra experienced folks. |
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