| Author | Message | ||
     Pdxs3t |
Mike (mfell2112), Rush puts on a great show! Had the chance to see them here in Portland, Oregon on this last tour that they were on. Fun stuff, even rode my Buell to the show and managed to get it out of 1st gear. And to Troythetroll, its not what you ride that counts. Its riding that counts! | ||
| Fssnoc2501 |
Troy, The concept of Battletrax, or cone courses is not a unique concept to Buell / H-D. Check your knowledge of motorcycling and history. An off-road version of this is trials and requires a great deal of control and ability. Again narrow mindedness breads contempt. Not a real fun way to live. Ray | ||
| Troythetroll |
Ray, I am perfectly well aware of what trials riding is, how it is done, the types of bikes used, etc etc. You do understand the concept of someone spending time for the last 14 years at Mid-Ohio, VIR, Laguna, etc etc, suddenly seeing an organized event in parking lots dodging cones as a substitute for a racetrack as being a comical event? Narrow mindedness? I'm here aren't I? Others simply sit back in the comfort of their own little group and bash. I would rather venture out in enemy territory and see what the zealots think of their ride. Buell bashers I am perfectly comfortable with, but the Buell zealots, they like their rides for a reason, they use them, I am simply looking for the opinion of the "other" guy if for no other reason than to learn. Sorry you construe that as being "narrow minded". | ||
| Fssnoc2501 |
Troy, I construed your comments as narrow minded when you said I Quote "before I dismiss it out of hand as some silly Harley/Buell invented stunt to keep their machines from actually being used hard." These kind of statements are narrow minded. If your true purpose in being here is to learn then I solute you and commend you. My impression of your posts have been somewhat different. Ray | ||
| Blake |
Troy, You skipped over my question... Do you ever compete in organized motorcycle road racing?  As to your comments about not seeing any Buells at the track... you don't see many Buells on the street either do you? What percentage of sport bike riders do you think regularly participate in closed course road racing competition or even track days? The answer is... a very small percentage. So, do you race, or just take your street bike out for track day fun? What are your lap times versus the track records? As for Battle Trax, I'm more afraid to run that for fear of dropping my bike than I am riding around a typical road race course. Ever try to get on the throttle early leaned over hard in 1st gear? It takes a hell of a lot of skill to go quickly in a twisty 1st gear course. Cool that you might make Hallet. Maybe Dave will do so too. ![:]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) | ||
| Troythetroll |
Ray, I didn't mean that quote to be narrow minded, but from my perspective it is a rather comical thought, and based on my experiences with Buellers at AMS it might have some validity. Blake, no, I have never in my life "raced" a motorcycle. A long time ago I had a crack at it and decided against it, 14 years later I changed my mind and got shot down by the wife. Currently a battle exists in my household over that exact question. I am currently losing said battle. But I have not yet begun to fight! I saw a Buell on the street this weekend, and have seen Firebolts and various other types with regularity around where I live. Hence the problem with, if I see them on the street in my neighborhood, surely SOME of them hit the track occasionally. I have no idea what percentage of bikes, import or domestic, regularly hit the track. I tend to avoid newbys when possible, and I also tend to avoid groups most of the time. Watching people dump a machine, slide into oncoming traffic and get run over by an SUV can make a guy decide that people running beyond their limits aren't people you want to be near when those limits are surpassed. I would agree with you generally that probably only a small percentage of people hit the track, but with people I ride with that percentage ranges from 75-100%. I would have to say I am not comfortable with most street only riders. On my old 900RR or my old 929 I have done a 1'41 flat at Mid-Ohio and and been timed the same at Laguna. At the local track I've been clocked at I'm about 8 seconds off the outright lap record running counter clockwise, 6 seconds running clockwise. The Mid-Ohio time was a 900RR with race tires and a Lindemann suspension, Ohlins damper, the Laguna was the 929 with race tires only and no other changes. The goal on the sv is to be able to match the tight course times over the next year or so. I know it can be done because the local class champion handed me my head last year on the tight track on a tricked out sv. At Battletrax, I would be scared to death to drop my bike. Slow corners on a road course are my least favorite place, and the idea of doing cone dodging on cold tires and without much gyroscopic stability in the wheels seems like the people doing it are just asking for it. I almost never use 1st gear at the track, so doing it around a parking lot, while perhaps amusing, strikes me as a good way to land on your head in a hurry. Hallett and MidAmerica are both reasonable places for a fall trackday. Keep me in mind. | ||
| Daves |
Blake, I already have plans on the dates for the OK race. How bout you come up to MAM on the last weekend of August? Me,you and Troy plus the rest of the guys from Waterloo. Now that would be a good time. Troy, As far as BattleTrax, you should try it before you laugh it off. Ride to the edge! Dave HD/Buell Cycle Center dave@iowaharley.com | ||
| Blake |
T3, Eight seconds behind the lap record would put you pretty much in last place in the HW Expert classes at OHR. Six seconds might put you ahead of one or two guys. In the amateur ranks you might be mid pack or better. At OHR an SV is running about 4 seconds behind a GSXR750 (HW Supersport bike). If that translates well to your situation, you might expect lap times on your new SV to fall between 10 to 12 seconds off of the outright lap records. Dave, I'll think about it. It's a long drive. Will Cecil be there?  | ||
| Spiderman |
LOL I love people that "venture out into enemy territory" get bashed them selves, get mad than bitch they have the right to bitch. This is too funny. Don't get me wrong I am so Pro Buell I know more people across the country that ride Buells than most people know local people that ride Buells, but I am still pro motorcycle. I like any brand or kind there are very few that I hate, (manly the metric cruizers) I am currently looking at getting a TL100R, manly for track days. BUT on with my point... Troy get outa the basement put away the Dungons and Dragons books go do some Battle Trax (if you got the cajones, doging cones HA) do some laps and have fun. | ||
| Daves |
No Cecil, unless we could talk him into it. I'm not holding my breath. Ride to the edge! Dave HD/Buell Cycle Center dave@iowaharley.com | ||
| Troythetroll |
Blake, last place in an expert racing series after never having raced in my life as well as never having fallen down on a track is quite reasonable. Mid-pack amateur is also reasonable considering the racers I seem to spend my time with during open practice sessions. I consider having gotten to this point without having raced, and only using my streetbike, to be reasonable. I also expect to get my SV down to approx. the same lap times as the F4 and 929 at Second Creek. It might take me a year and a change here or there, but that is the hope. Spiderman, first it sounds like my response should be "bite me", but I will restrain the urge. Battletrax, which sounds alot like "how much traction do you think cold tires provide across paint stripes in a parking lot", is undoubtedly acceptable to some people. I don't know of any personally, but hanging out here may change that. We shall see. | ||
| Bads1 |
Why are you hanging out here anyways. | ||
| Blake |
T3, In what kind of research to you participate? I was looking to make a move to Denver just last December, but the deal fell through. I had already scoped out the local tracks and the MRA. Reep, I think T3 lives near Denver. | ||
| Troythetroll |
Blake...energy. The local track ( Second Creek )near DIA is small, say 110 on a literbike down the front straight, I would consider Pueblo middling in size, faster than Second Creek but quite reasonable with a front straight dragstrip, and I've never been to the "airport" track in La Junta. Oh, and there is a gokart track which is pretty cheap to rent time on, all corners, some of the locals really like it for practicing their cornering. Bads1...because I decided to stop in. | ||
| Blake |
Energy... go on... | ||
| Troythetroll |
Blake, having had cager stalkers email the boss before and complain about my pointing out hypocrisy in a newsgroup discussion, I no longer just hand out information. One of your own is already emailing me constantly about how great he is as a first time Bueller, how fantastic they are even if his appears to have fallen apart around him, you understand. Shoot me an email and I will be happy to expound at length. | ||
| Spiderman |
WOW "Bite me" how insightful. | ||
| Troythetroll |
Why I apologize Spiderman, but I thought you deserved something at the maturity level of your commentary? | ||
| Rick_A |
So Troy, seeing how you're not man enough to face my Emails any longer, and you're commenting on the situation publicly, well...why don't I just share? I guess I'll start here...some parts of my emails were omitted by the Troll when returned: Ah Troy, you're so shortsighted it's sad...really. Did you know most Buells will put out around 100 REAR WHEEL horsepower with the only mods being a good port job and rejetting? It would take a hell of a lot more to make your wheezer little SV get that kind of performance. OH MY GOD NO! 100 HORSEPOWER! WHAT A STUNNING AMOUNT! Considering that the Japanese crank out 30% more while meeting emissions, are lighter, and don't get recalled 6 seconds after they leave the factory floor, you really think any of your claptrap makes a difference? My new little wheezer is simply one of the best middleweight v-twins out there, a niche Buell won't even attempt to fill because his manufacturing and design is so shoddy he can't compete against half-weight twins, let alone the decent quality stuff. About Pro Thunder...if they kept it fair...as in keeping only two valve Ducs...Hmmm...900 aircooled desmo two valve that revs to 9K vs a 1200 pushrod two valve aircooled revving to under 7K...oh no...but that'd make it fair! The AMA has to play favorites to $omebody. Sure. They play favorites to the best racing bikes manufactured. Hardley tried to get into the game with the same type of machine that Ducati uses to good affect and got their asses kicked because Hardley/Buell couldn't race in a heads up series to save their lives. Hardley can't even design the V-rod motor without help from silly CAGE companies, how pathetic is that? You don't like racing 1200cc air cooled machines against 750cc twins, go build a better 750cc twin. Honda was getting beat by twins and what did they do? They went and built their own and kicked the world and the amas ass with it. Hardley and Buell? They tuck tail and run, bitching like women about how it ISN'T FAIR!! Whiners all.... Buell didn't drop out of the AMA by the way...the class got cut by the AMA. They don't cater to grass roots racing...only to the $$big factories$$ nowadays. Right, so what is your excuse for BUELL Pro Thunder getting its ass kicked in its own AMA series? Oh yeah, thats right, it isn't FAIR running against smaller bikes...WWWHHHAAAAA...WHERES MY MOMMY! Who's comparing Buell to IL-4's? I was talking SV vs Buell. Face it, you'd get spanked...even on the spec sheet. I bought the SV specifically for that reason. Notice how, even with my inferior spec sheet, I can't get any takers in the Denver area to go out and play. The intermittent moron over at AMS won't touch my SV with an S2....talk about pansies. At least over at BWB there are a few people who don't appear as chickenshit and Boneheaded Bubba and Mike. Most people hate Buell mainly because it isn't the superbike they want to see America make. Oh well. Get over it or shut the fuck up. Screw you whining moron. Go ride your Buell and when you grow some balls come out to Denver and we'll play. Until then go dodge your cones on your two wheeled paint mixer with the rest of the women. I'm not one of Blake's Troy...I come here for the same reasons everyone else does, and under my own cognizance. | ||
| Rick_A |
Then there's this classic Did I hit a soft spot Troy? My you're defensive now. yes yes...that must be it. In between that last email, Erik started building real bikes, all the Buellers went from being cone dodgers to competent motorcyclists, the quality of Japanese machines dropped by 80%, yep...its all true. I'm not whining...just presenting some FACTS. Bikes are placed where they fit in competitive circles. I believe the best racing pits men against men...not a competition of technology and budget. Granted, those arenas have their place, but it's just a little obvious that bikes like Buell and your beloved SV don't fit in either. saying beloved sv alot doesn't make it so. I've been on Japanese liter bikes probably longer than some newby who can't remember who has won the Buell Pro Thunder series championship since 99, and if he did remember sure as hell won't admit it. You want Buells to compete against similar machines? Fine. Stick to little local series and be happy. Don't like being limited to some local series without brand name talent? Bitch to Erik and have him make a real machine. Want a real v-twin? Its called an rc51. Want a decent middleweight? Buy an sv. Want a piece of junk? Stick with what you've got and stop whining. Whats the matter, you get pasted by an EX500 the last time you did a cone dodging contest and it stuck in your craw? Go whine to your mother...or somebody who cares. See, aside from your recall bullshit (and what's so bad about a manufacturer admitting fault and fixing any problems?) your position has absolutely no substance or validity. Second Creek is available for the first Bueller who wants to show up, hell, I'll even buy the beer afterwards, win or lose. And the only thing I am very certain of, is the Bueller who has the balls to take me up on it? Most definately WON'T be you. Buell has always been known to produce fun, solid handling bikes. That's it...it seems like your argument has nothing to do with Buell and everything to do with Troy. You don't like the bikes, oh well man. You don't like some owners...save me your mysery. Buell has been known to have recalled every model of motorcycle they've ever made. Don't like that FACT? Too bad...its your stupid ride, not mine. I could also go on about the differences between different motor configurations but you'd call that whining and you apparently couldn't grasp it anyway. I'd rather not understand the difference between a paint mixer v-twin and an I4 than be some nutless wonder who thinks cone dodging subsititutes for anything other than a display of "gee I'm scared of a real track". Like, well, YOU? I take it you were referring to Buell in Superstock?...what advantage have they been given??...they play under the same rules...same weight limitations and same horsepower limit. They actually won Daytona but didn't have enough gas to do the post race dyno run. So now Buell crew chiefs are too stupid to fill their bikes all the way up with gas? Thanks for reinforcing my opinion of the average Bueller. Buell has their own niche. Building junk isn't a niche. Building a v-twin that isn't even a good v-twin isn't a niche. Convincing ex-Hardley riders they are now on a sportbike is marketing, nothing more. Feel bad for having been taken? Try to insult me if you will, but I'm well beyond that. Of course you are. One of the things the marketing convinces the retards of is that 455# wet weight is "light". That 75HP is "enough". That a short chassis automatically translates to "great handling". And that $10G's can't buy you a better v-twin, or 3. Why insult someone so dumb as to fall for each and every one of these lines? Too stupid to understand he was even being insulted I would think. Shining example being.....you guessed it! If you're still trolling around, I'd love to take you up on the offer. Another nutless wonder who doesn't trust his ride at the track. Why not? My itty bitty underpowered beginner bike takes me to work, I'm touring on it this summer, and it'll be at Laguna on Memorial Day. What is it about nutless wonders that convinces them they require a TRACKBIKE when its the lack of BALLS with their current ride thats the problem? Why don't you go back to where you came from? I don't know which rock, but I'm sure you do. Mike cast about looking for a Bueller, ANY Bueller, local to Denver thats interested in some fun track time. Obviously, most Buellers are disqualified out of hand for being like you. I'm not looking for nutless wonders on Buells, those are EASY to find, I want to go play with the men. So, go back to whichever group you hang with, look around for the men, and send them my email address. If you are too chicken to take your ride to the track to take on beginner bikes than buzz off and go congregate with the women. So I know nothing of tact... | ||
| Spiderman |
The maturity level of my comment? Man you need help. | ||
| Spiderman |
>>>>Screw you whining moron. Go ride your Buell and when you grow some balls come out to Denver and we'll play. Until then go dodge your cones on your two wheeled paint mixer with the rest of the women. WOW and I am mature huh. I would love to spank that SV on my M2. What numbers did she put up??? Any where? Oh yeah and PS on breaking and recalls. At least "Hardley" will always have parts for the Buells as opposed to Jap bikes which are obsolete 6 seconds after they leave the showroom floor. | ||
| Rick_A |
Then this: Now I get it. I checked out your profile on BWB. A gun nut who has had a single motorcycle in his life, who lives in a state with no corners, lucky to have a year or two of experience on bikes in total, and with nothing to do except post emails to people who actually DO have lives. Now I understand what kind of person is fooled by Buells marketing, and why you have to defend the single clunker you can afford. Good luck....you need it. Oh yeah, and since I went to BWS to converse with REAL people, you know the type, jobs, bikes, non idiot squidlings who don't do burnouts to take pictures of to populate their webpage, I won't be taking emails from silly pretenders anymore. Silly me, I should have checked the profile sooner so I knew whether or not I was debating someone who actually KNEW anything or just the usual Buell hooligan who can't ride his way out of a wet paper bag. Oh yeah, I also noticed the problems with your bike. Great piece of equipment that, 5 times more things broken than I've broken on 20 japanesse motorcycles in as many years. I thought you were a serious Bueller, not just another one of the lower life forms who ride Buells because its cool or its all they can afford or their girlfriends are as dumb as they are and can be convinced by the same insipid marketing that Buell snared your silly butt with. My bad. Too bad that the only person interested enough to defend a Buell is someone who couldn't afford a real machine even if he wanted one. All you are is ego Troy...get over yourself. My Buell has been my only transportation for the past nearly two years. I've gone across the country on it in that time. Build yourserlf up all you want online...I can tell what you really are. Troll sums it up pretty well actually. What you do at the track doesn't define who you are...and I'm certainly not afraid of you, your lame ignorant comments are completely meaningless, and about the racetrack...I'm afraid of wadding up my daily ride, shithead. Get your head out of your ass. Keep building yourself up 'cause apparently that's all you've got. What you own doesn't make you who you are either. Stick with your misconceptions and stereotypes 'cause in your own fucked up mind it apparently all makes sense. My ride is just that...I never claimed it was anything more. The problems with my bike I consider to be very minor...and things anyone could handle...and most were due to aftermarket pieces, dolt. I bought the bike because it fit MY ideal of what a streetbike should be, but you're too fucking blind to see that. You wanna call me a coward...you've got no basis for any such statement. Trying to portray yourself as a track day heroe doesn't account for squat in my book. You are but an insignificant wanna be racer ASSHOLE. Get a life... please See ya later loser. After you grow a ball or two and grow up a bit, feel free to email me again. and to close... #1. Follow your own advise #2. Don't flatter yourself. Emailing you is definitely not a highlight...more a chore. #3. On the previous money matter...I have enough in firearms alone to buy 6 SV's. I want but one streetbike...and I have it. #4. Thanks for the fun conversations Hell, at least the Troll is entertaining. | ||
| Spiderman |
LOL Court Canfield told me once that the internet is just like a bar only the whole world can see your a dumb ass instead of just a few people. | ||
| Cjmblast |
The maturity level of my comment? Man you need help. AMEN Spidey !!! I believe TTT not only has no respect for Buell riders, he doesn't much like women either judging from the insulting comments !! bitching like women ; go dodge your cones...with the rest of the women. ; buzz off and go congregate with the women. Wait until Char gets a load of the above comments !! CJM  | ||
| Southernmarine |
Troy, you never answered my question in the other thread. Have you ever spent any time on a Buell? From what I've seen you are knockin a bike you have no experience with whatsoever. | ||
| Bads1 |
No he doesn't have to he's a research engineer. | ||
| Rick_A |
Yeah...I think he was trying to play down his sparkling personality in public here. Oh well. Sorry. He's never rode a Buell. I think all bikes have their merit. Hell, there's bikes I don't particularly care for, but you've gotta have something wrong to dislike the bikes and everyone riding them (who doesn't do track days  ). | ||
| Blake |
Yikes! Troy sure does like throwing out aspersions towards another rider's manhood. But he's skeered to try a Battle Trax and won't race? Rick, Where can I get one of those 100RWHP Buells with just headwork and jetting? I think you may have exaggerated just a bit.  Next time Scrap heads up to visit his bro maybe he can borrow Aaron's M2 and go show Troy what a Buell can do. Troy, Totally uncool. You have serious issues. BTW, Rick is a trained killer... ex marine... not someone I'd be casting aspersions on as you have. | ||
| Troythetroll |
Gee Rick, all bikes have their merit coming from a guy with zero experience on most of them, that means alot. Whats the matter, get your panties in a twist over the crack I made about having been on bikes nearly as long as you've been alive? I stand by what I said to just another cyber stalker, grow a ball or two, see you when you grow up. Don't like the racing results you cited? Tell it to Erik.....I don't need your garbage cluttering up my inbox anymore. |
