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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Jscott... looks good, but you probably ought to tweak it a little to account for number and type of valve arrangement. A 1200 cc 4 valve desmo would be WAY different then a 1200 cc 2 valve pushrod.
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Jscott
Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Reepicheep,
I think SuperSport should stay with stock displacement anyway - so outside of the Ducati 749 getting in, the Ducati 1000ss would have to stay 1000cc - Good point though.
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Elvis
Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
"(three - if they'd just come out with that watercooled square four)"

Wouldn't that be great? I know it will probably never happen, but the thought of a modern, light-weight, compact, four-stroke, woter-cooled, rev-happy square four in that little frame just gives me such a grin.

Talk about "Different in Every Sense".
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Jscott
Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 07:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I've heard it here several times from sources that have alot more knowledge on the subject than I, that the square four is a pipe dream - but it would be a great homage to the original Buell. Hey there's also that Nova v4 engine collecting dust at HD. Dreaming - ain't it grand.
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Jssport
Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Blake asked where I got this info....

http://www.amasuperbike.com/newind.htm

look at 4/22/03, new 2004 rules
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Benm2
Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
How bout these:

Superbike: 200hp, 370lb
Supersport: 130hp, 350lb
Superstock: as is. let it die the death it deserves.
FX: street-fuel, 380lb, normally aspirated, two wheels. Must resemble motorcycle.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
RRW put it up yesterday too. Thanks.
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Mark_In_Ireland
Posted on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
How the hell does a 636cc ZX6R beat a slew of GSXR750's ......I suppose its similar to the likes of Bob Newby and Bob Heath over here on 500cc Classic single putting out 50hp beating 750 Tridents who have about 90hp. I think riding ability is the main factor, plus superior handling and really fast cornering speeds!
Something I have an abundance of.......not! :-)

Although I'd take ole Troll for a spin round the IOM TT course and have a cup of tea bought from the prom cafe for when he finishes the lap, thinking about it I'd leave the Buell at home and take my trusty 850 Norton to really make it interesting.

I bet he doesn't turn up....... :-)
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Anonymous
Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 12:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
How does the 636 beat the 750s? Simple, it's the only factory bike in the class. The rider is a full time paid professional with tons of free riding time on factory test days. The tuners are full time professionals. And the bike will be so far from stock it's ridiculous.

Someone I know at one time opened up a Marchesini box at Daytona, picked up at the track in a last minute shipment from Roberto. He hadn't checked the label on the box, because there were several wheel boxes bundled together. Lo and behold, when he pulled it out of the box, it was a duplicate of a Honda 600F4 wheel, with all the Honda and DOT markings on it, but in magnesium. Knowing that you never win in a situation like this, he put it back in the box, and took it back to the Daytona front office where he had picked it up. Yeah, stock class...just like Smokey Yunick...
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Marriedabuell
Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 12:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
There was more than one factory rider in that race at Daytona.
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Jscott
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2003 - 08:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Looks like Kawasaki has gotten their weewee spanked by the AMA for SuperStock rules violation.

http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=5975
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 12:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I knew it. Thanks for posting the link JScott.

Even more interesting is the relatively light penalty handed down.

AMAPR executives apparently really savor the taste of Kawasaki factory genitalia.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 12:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Hayden should have been disqualified. Anything less is a sham. Machining the heads is a HUGE no-no.
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Jssport
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Buit they took 20 points and $2000 from T Hayden, That's a dent.

Did you see Meiring's heads were judged OK, I wonder what he's thinking.

"Why did they give this advantage to Tommy and not me"
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Jscott
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 02:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Kawasaki's version of the penalty situation

http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=5976
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Racerx1
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 02:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I'm still not buying that Kawasaki's advantage is due to cheating....this year its legal to machine the cylinder head for compression. The Kaw team manager said they were penalized for a de-burring operation. I predict hayden will continue to win races on that thing, and I'm sure it will be 100% legal!
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
"What’s happened is our guy there has de-burred around the valve pockets, and they’re basically saying it’s against the rules and we can’t de-burr -- something everybody does, break off sharp edges.”"

"We’re not looking at a performance gain. It’s a practice that everybody does. "

At what point does a deburring action become a machining action, at what point is a burr removed and at what point is a new intended contour evolve?

Or, to resurrect an old argument, when does a spotface become a counterbore? Just to put it in a different context.

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Blake
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
"Deburring" ya, right. They got busted. Simple as that. Whether Tommy continues to win is another matter. I still don't see how a 636cc bike can possibly hang with 750cc bikes of the same configuration. And we are talking about the most powerful 750cc street machine ever built. Just doesn't make sense. Tommy isn't that much better than the competition. I guess we'll see.

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Crusty
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 07:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
In 1977, Kawasaki came out with a 650 that kicked all the 750s butts. History has a way of repeating itself.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 03:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Crusty,
There is nothing revolutionary about the ZX6R's 636cc engine. We have seen it's dyno numbers. In stock form it isn't anywhere close to approaching the power of a stock GSXR750. It just doesn't make sense to me. I've been wrong before, will be again.
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Racerx1
Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Blake, whats going on in atlanta!!!! 5 of the top ten superstock bikes are 600's? 600's are 1-2 in superstock practice? The top 4 600's in supersport are faster than the fastest GSXR750 in superstock??? everybody must be de-burring their heads now ;) (just giving you a hard time buddy!)
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Blake
Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I guess my own head could use de-burring! :/ I'll be routing for John Haner, OHR track record holder and CMRA buddy, running a GSXR750. Either that or it is finally happening... the end of the world, and the laws of physics are being turned on their head. QUICK!!! Enter a stock XB9R in Superbike!
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Blake
Posted on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Where'd all those chickens get to?

Superstock Qualifying Results:
Qual/Racer Bike Lap Time
1. Josh Hayes Suzuki GSX-R750 1:26.760
2. Tommy Hayden Kawasaki ZX-6R 1:26.913
3. Adam Fergusson Suzuki GSX-R750 1:26.973
4. Jason DiSalvo Yamaha YZF-R6 1:27.017
5. Vincent Haskovec Suzuki GSX-R750 1:27.086
6. Chris Caylor Suzuki GSX-R750 1:27.163
7. John Haner Suzuki GSX-R750 1:27.174
8. Brian Stokes Suzuki GSX-R750 1:27.213
9. Jimmy Moore Suzuki GSX-R750 1:27.475
10. Mike Smith Suzuki GSX-R750 1:27.553
11. Mike Ciccotto Suzuki GSX-R750 1:27.572
12. Eric Wood Suzuki GSX-R750 1:27.580
13. Jordan Szoke Suzuki GSX-R750 1:27.585
14. Chris Ulrich Suzuki GSX-R750 1:27.797
15. Matt Furtek Suzuki GSX-R750 1:27.946
16. Greg Moore Suzuki GSX-R750 1:28.164
17. John Dugan Suzuki GSX-R750 1:28.449
18. Tony Meiring Kawasaki ZX-6R 1:28.461
19. Lee Acree Suzuki GSX-R750 1:28.764
20. Jamie Stauffer Suzuki GSX-R600 1:29.198
21. Jason Peters Suzuki GSX-R750 1:29.425
22. Rich Conicellli Suzuki GSX-R750 1:29.642
23. Matt Wait Yamaha YZF-R6 1:29.703
24. Jake Holden Suzuki GSX-R750 1:29.788
25. Ty Howard Honda CBR600RR 1:30.189
26. J.J. Roetlin Suzuki GSX-R750 1:30.696
27. Hawk Mazzotta Suzuki GSX-R750 1:30.962
28. Chuck Ivey Suzuki GSX-R750 1:31.143
29. Kevin Pate Suzuki GSX-R750 1:31.672
30. Tom Wertman Suzuki GSX-R750 1:31.988
31. Darren Luck Suzuki GSX-R750 1:31.990
32. Thad Halsmer Yamaha YZF-R6 1:32.020
33. Arash Hoshmandy Suzuki GSX-R750 1:32.167
34. Jeff Muskopf Suzuki GSX-R750 1:32.327
35. Heath Small Yamaha YZF-R6 1:32.539
36. John McGarity Suzuki GSX-R750 1:32.639
37. William Johnson Suzuki GSX-R750 1:33.013
38. Nathan Hester Suzuki GSX-R750 1:33.208
39. Douglas Rose Suzuki GSX-R750 1:34.004
40. Mike Scruggs Suzuki GSX-R750 1:34.210
41. Joseph Ford Suzuki GSX-R750 1:34.585
42. David Bell Suzuki GSX-R750 1:35.100
43. Chris Greer Yamaha YZF-R6 1:35.386
44. Robert Hilliard Yamaha YZF-R6 1:35.515
45. Michael Kosta Suzuki GSX-R750 1:35.733
46. Darrin Mitchell Suzuki GSx-R600 1:36.004
47. R. Todd Keesee Suzuki GSX-R750 1:37.374
48. David Lambert Suzuki GSX-R600 1:37.427
49. Stacy Summers Kawasaki 600 1:37.650
50. James Kerker Honda CBR600 1:39.809
51. Jessica Zalusky Suzuki GSX-R750 1:44.233


Notice anything special about the last place qualifier.
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Racerx1
Posted on Sunday, May 18, 2003 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Give my congrats to mr Haner Blake! he did a nice job out there....also saw him for a couple of seconds during the superbike race....I'm not a big Mladin fan, but he definately had the save of the day/year!

Good to see Josh Hayes win one.....Road Atlanta is his home track. Whats the deal with him not running superbike after qualifying on the 2nd row? The TV said the team didn't have enough tires to support their bikes in all the classes. My bold prediction is Hayden will win Mid O. and Laguna and will at least get 2nd if not 1st at Pikes peak....

Jessica Z......she's some skater/snowboarder that decided to go road racing. Was on a Nash prepared 748 last year in pro thunder...and thats about all I'm saying on that one!
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