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Mike_bolts
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Head's up everyone, I placed my bike for sale on Cycle Trader recently and after going back and forth with "Jimmy" and his "client", I get this...

My client after viewing current pictures of your bike and doing neccessary evaluations has just contacted me to re-affirm his interest to purchase your bike "as is"and has also agreed to settle for your price of $7,000. He instructed me to inform you that your payment will get to you in a cashier check of $12,000, which is a refund payment of a canceled order earlier made by my
>client through a dealer whos bike my client turned down on delivery due to a mix up in make and model.
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>Due to standard company policy which only allows a refund payment on only one check,this check has to be made out to you in this whole amount.So you are required to deduct the cost of your bike ($7,000) when your payment gets to you and refund a balance of $5,000 to my customer for him to offset shipping and tax charges.
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>After payment has reached you and balance sent to him,our agent will come for the pick-up and drive bike to a prepaid shipper, to complete shippment of bike to my customer while title papers and other necessary documents will be sent by you via fedex courier services to my customer.
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>Please provide Name,Address and Phone Number for check payment to be delivered to you through fedex courier services asap.
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>Sincerely yours,
>
>Jimmy
>802.664.4062

Unquote.

This reeks of a forged cashiers check. I'm tempted to give him my address as the FBI's local office just for kicks.

Be careful out there!
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Diablobrian
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 02:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd contact you local law enforcement and see if they are interested in grabbing this guy.

If not then I'd wave off on the whole deal. This is textbook scamming 101.
BDWD......... Biker Dads With Daughters est.2006
defending our sweet little girls from those bad bad boys. You're not one of THEM are you?
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Essthreetee
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just reply to him that you are NOT responsible for shipping. If a check is made out to you in any other amount, then any and ALL extra will be YOUR property. Nothing will happen until the check clears and funds have been verified by your bank, at such time the client can show up and sign the pink slip himself. Someone tried to do this to me once when I sold a VW Bus...it is not a NEW scam, but one that must work...somewhere...
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Cochise
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 02:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah, don't call him yet, get in touch with somebody and THEY can call him and bust that goofball.
www.americanthunderbike.org
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Indy_bueller
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 07:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It IS a scam. This is a variation on the Nigerian investment scam. You see, when you cash the check, it will come back later as no good. You are then responsible to the bank for the full amount of the check since the original person can't be found or pursued since they arent in this country. DO NOT DO IT. DON'T EVEN CONTINUE TO EMAIL THEM. THEY ARE IN ANOTHER COUNTRY AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP THEM.
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Mike_bolts
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No worries boys, Mr. Bolts might be dumb, but he ain't stupid...

I told "Jimmy" to mail his check and instructions to my work address ie. the local Sheriff's auto theft division!
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Brineusaf
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 01:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I had an old employer who "bounced" 3 weeks worth of my pay. I got horrendous fees for this... and made him compensate generously. After that I never had a problem.

Watch the Sheriff cash the check...that would be something.
Kyle Brine
United States Air Force
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 05:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There is one other little problem involved in playing along with this most classic of scams:

YOU CAN END UP IN JAIL!!

No kidding.

My nephew Ben took one of these checks to a branch of a bank that was getting sick and tired of this scam. I think it was B of A.They called the police, and Ben spent most of the day in jail before it was straightened out. Initial charge was something like criminal use of forged instrument. Felony in California.
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Biker_bob
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Do not take cashier's checks unless you know they are good. I get notice every week of numerous bogus cashiers checks. You must confirm with the bank that issued them, or go to the bank with individual and verify they are good. The forged ones are very good and many times on a local bank so you won't suspect anything. Wired fed funds are the only sure way of getting money
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Brucelee
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Very old scam.

Just blow them off or report them to the FBI.
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Midknyte
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nothing will happen until the check clears and funds have been verified by your bank

Please be aware that you cannot rely on banks like you used to. Checks are now routinely "cleared", only to be actually researched after the fact, and then revoked, leaving you holding the large and smelly bag. An attempt to game the scammer will more likely bite "you" in the arse.
The hard part is deciding which one to ride...
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yep,
If you deposit the check it may be two to three weeks or more before you even know it was bad. Cash, U.S.Postal money orders (to get the Fed's involved if they counterfit one of those money orders), and local checks if you know the person or can easily track them down. Supposed to be that if you can get them to mail you the check you can get them for mail fraud as well, but I've been hearing that isn't a good option anymore.

'scuse me now, someone sent me an email where I can get 5 million dollars just by cashing their 20 million dollar check and sending them the difference....
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Firebolteric_ma
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

my wifes brother fell for this scam.(he's not very "street smart"). he was selling his guitar and they contacted him w/ the directions for payment as the check was for more than he wanted for his guitar he did as they ask & sent them the difference (dumb ass). only to hear from them a few day later saying they needed more money as there driver was in a crash and they were going to sue him as he was going to his house for the guitar. he finally figured out he was being scamed and went to the police w/ emails addresses and such. he ended up having to pay the bank for the difference of the money he took out as the bank said it cleared or something. long story short...it cost him 3 thousand dollors for his mistake.
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Hanses25
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 09:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That is an old scam, I was selling a bike and a guy sent me a check that was $10k over what I was asking. Contacted the FBI and they put me in contact with Customs. Customs took over all the documents gained access to my email and theirs and said more then likely they would never catch them because they are more then likely out of South Africa.

The bad part is that people actually fall for this.
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Midknyte
Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

more info on bank check clearing dilemma

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060601/031244.shtml
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Scott_in_nh
Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I received a similar e-mail when I was selling my GPz on craigslist. I deleted it without response, I suggest any of you do the same- it is out of the country and nothing will come of it with law enforcement so why waste the time/effort
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