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Cowboy
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 05:23 pm: | 
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CJM.....I was reading your posting a day or so back. My feelings are hurt to only be in the N0 2 pos. as a Red neck Eng. Do I get any points for rideing a Buell.he he he |
Bomber
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 05:30 pm: |
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char . . .. .ouch!!
(grin) |
Cjmblast
| | Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 06:01 pm: |
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Cowboy, you get mucho points for riding a Buell ! The ex rode a dumb ole Harley, Buell is MY thing !!!
Let's see, Cowboy, Redneck, Engineer, and Buell rider, Woooo Hoooo !!!! An Arkansas girl's dream !! LOL
CJM 
(psbeforeanyonetakesoffensetodumboleharleyitonlyappliestotheex!!) |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 02:46 am: |
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Bet yall dont have a cool ass hat like this one
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Whatever
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 08:53 am: |
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Dyna,
You are NOT RICH because you procreate too much ! (which is confusing, considering that dumb ass hat you are wearing, but the grandbaby looks fine, I am glad, congratualtions !) |
Whatever
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 08:58 am: |
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Dueller,
My friends are LEAVING Tampa on the ferry March 7th. If you send me your phone number, one of them will call you to talk about possibly hooking up. You can ping me at fishguts103@hotmail.com... OK ???
Charlotte |
Newfie_Buell
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 10:29 am: |
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Sweet Baby,
Dyna, If you have a matching suit I would be worried!!!!!!! |
Phillyblast
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 12:09 pm: |
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spidey, they need a union rep? |
Newfie_Buell
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 02:49 pm: |
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$27.00/hr for stripping,
I wonder if they need a manager. |
Whatever
| | Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 04:28 pm: |
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That is really just too depressing, they almost make twice as much as me, and I went to college ! |
Crusty
| | Posted on Sunday, February 02, 2003 - 02:01 pm: |
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Just finished shoveling out the driveway. Heavy, wet ugly slush.
I HATE FREAKIN' WINTER!
I wonder what a bead blasted, black anodized Banke shifter would look like? (It already looks good bead blasted.) |
Dueller
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 12:27 pm: |
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Hey Char...
I dropped you an email re: your friends and the Yucatan ferry. Any more info?
jim |
Spiderman
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 12:41 pm: |
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OK need to vent.
It is fucked up that I have to witness two shuttle disasters in my life.
It is fucked up that Americans are no longer as intrested in the space program as they were in the sixties.
And it is really FUCKED and express FUCKED up that NASA is run by a bunch of middle management dropouts that would risk American and any other nationalities for that matter by sending them up in a 21 year old space craft in need of a MAJOR over haul. These things travel MILLIONS of miles a year. There are strees cracks in the fuel delivery system.
You think they would have learned there lesson with the O-Rings and challenger. But because of budget problems they will take the risk. This isn't limp home with a low tire here this is goin into muther fucking outer space. Tepature fluxuations that go fro 275 to negative 275 in seconds.
People need to get intrested in the space program next to the ocean space is the only thing left man has to conquer.
Godd bless those brave souls who risk there lifes so that we may better ours.
Ok stepping off the box now |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 01:14 pm: |
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On a similar note to Spideys, I also detect what appears to be some apathy or a blase attitude towarss it all. When Challenger blew up it was all over the news for days. Every show was cut into. They covered it all day long. This time it was kinda like "our top story of the day is the shuttle columbia has just burned up upon reentry into earths atmosphere, now back to Who's the Boss".
I just dont detect the same feeling that was there back in 86. Anyone else notice this? |
Mikej
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 01:41 pm: |
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Dyna,
I guess you didn't watch channel 12. All they had on all day was the Shuttle story, clear down to taking people calling in from Texas to the news center before the people called local law enforcement. I didn't watch TV yesterday much so the coverage may have changed.
Spidey,
Are you saying that the problem was with a fuel line? I haven't read the reports from today, but as of yesterday they (or at lease some of them) were looking into the coorelation between something bumping into the left wing prior to takeoff, and the apparent fact that they didn't have a crane mounted camera available (either in space or on the ground) to check for damage up close. The anomoly in the left wing immediately started some to look back at the loading accident.
Side note: do you know how old the airliner is that you last flew on? Lots of them aircraft are way older than you. It's not the age, it's how it's maintained and how well it holds up to fatigue. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 01:43 pm: |
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Dyna . .. I've noticed the same thing . .. . I think we may, as a society, become so jaded to violence and hurtfulness that it's no longer the remarkable event it was
I know that the following statement will brand me as a godless, bomb-throwing communist in the eyes of many on the board, but, listening to NPR today reminded me of the Challenger heartbreak . . . .NPR spoke of little OTHER than the shuttle disaster for most of this morning . . . . .hmmmmm |
Bads1
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 01:50 pm: |
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I live not but 4 blocks from Horlick High School where Luarel Clark graduated.It is nothing but reporters,people standing with flowers and candles.There are alot of emotional people here in Racine I can tell you that much. |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 01:58 pm: |
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Mike, channel 12 usually does a better job of covering local news & since one of the crew members attended high school in Racine it will garner more attention from them. When Challenger exploded all of the soaps were cut off, talk shows were shut down, etc. Not this time, life just goes on I guess.
As far as what happened to it, I think spidey is talking about the fact that columbia had 3500 wiring issues alone. Thats the number I read. Also numerous fuel line problems as well. The company that designed & built the shuttles never expected them to last longer that 10 yrs. Yes airplanes go 30 yrs with no problems, but they alos are not subjected to nearly the same amount of stress that the shuttles are. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 02:16 pm: |
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Dyna . . .there is also concern that a piece of foam insulation from one of the outboard fuel tanks broke off and hit the wing during the ititial phase of lift off . . . . thinking is that it may have weakened the bond of one or more insulating tiles . . .without those, there's no cahnce of a successful re-entry, if I understand correctly, and loosing one is just the start of a domino effect |
Bads1
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 02:20 pm: |
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Bomber that what puzzles me I wonder why they didn't stop the mission right there when they saw that happen at lift off or couldn't they??? |
Benm2
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 02:28 pm: |
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So, what's the benefit NOW of putting people in space? If standard comm sattelites can be launched more economically from standard rockets, than what does the shuttle offer? "The betterment of mankind" is wildly subjective; arguably the Taliban may believe they are doing the same.
I doubt that anyone on the list for shuttle missions has removed their names, however. For the few who have the vision & the drive, serving on such a mission is worth the risks. I expect that there will be fewer lawsuits from this disaster than there was from Flight 93. If there's not, I'll be disappointed as an American citizen.
Have you all seen the recent commercial regarding the man who paid his way onto a russian space flight? I'm sure there are others who'd pay for seats in the cargo bay for a quick trip, risks be damned. I know my father would go, if he could. Me, sorry, I can't say if I would or not, but a tough choice it would be. But, those people alone cannot (or aren't allowed to) fund the space program.
Those who bring to light all the defects with the current space program fall into two camps, it seems: Those that show the problems as a display of why we should stop doing it and those that show the problems as impediments to success. Unfortunately, they use the same data, and the current space program lacks the ability to capture the public's imagination as the moon programs did. Perhaps its time to setup a MOON base, or send a manned mission to mars? That may revive public interest to the point where more people fall into category two. Okay, back off the box. |
Spiderman
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 02:37 pm: |
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Mike,
I am not saying it was that, just an example of things that needed to be fixed.
Bads1,
I used to live in Florida and seen over 10 shuttle launches. They can abort but it can be even more dangerous than what happened.
Over 10 tons of Hydrogen and solid rocket fuel raining down over the Atlantic. Plus the Shuttle would not have enough time to gain speed to land. That thing is already a brick with wings.
I know that airplanes are well over 30 years old BUT the shuttle flies more miles in one mission than a plane does in 30 years. Not including the stresses of the rockets pushing over 100,000 tons.
NASA needs better funding and management. Plain and simple. |
Mikej
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 02:37 pm: |
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Ben,
There are regular experiments that are being done in space, from metalurgy to medical to botanical, that require human interface during the process. There have been many flights with experiments where if you weren't involved in the field of the experiment you would never have known it was going on. There is more to space than satellites.
There is design work being done on many fronts to do some of the stuff you mention, and more. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 02:40 pm: |
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bad . . . . . I THINK the reason is once ya start, it's knda hard to not continue . . . . they anaylzed it, figured the threat was within acceptable parameters, and solidiered on . . . .from what little I knopw of these things, I'm pretty certain the crew was involved in the decsion
why go into space? well, like MikeJ said . . . . or, I could just quote that tshirt (if I have to explain . . . . . ) because it's THERE! that's why |
Mikej
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 03:07 pm: |
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If they knew there was a problem (armchair quarterbacking here) they could have shuttled them back on the Russian craft and left the Shuttle up there attached to the SpaceStation. They either didn't know there was a problem, or diagnosed it as within acceptable parameters, or didn't see something due to something else being in the way. Imagine having a c/f shield on top of an undercore material, and whacking the shield with a hammer to the point of denting the undercore but not visibly damaging the shield's visible surface beyond acceptable levels. At re-entry speed (12,500mph) that little dent pocket behind the shield coupled with the minor abraision on the surface could start to flutter or fluctuate and cause all sorts of nasty stuff to happen in very short order. This is pure phantasy speculation, but is along the lines of what could have happened. Sometimes there is no way to inspect damage without disassembly or disection, and once you're going up you only have a limited number of options available to make adjustments in your plans. My guess is that if something did happen, and if this caused the damage that lead to the disaster, then it was not a visible problem. Remember, these are the guys who will postpone a launch or landing based on rain or bird poop. Also remember, the Shuttle is a glider and once they commit to re-entry they are coming down regardless of what happens after they cross the point of no return, a one-shot deal as far as landings go.
I think I'll just wait to hear what the diagnosis is. |
Benm2
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 03:12 pm: |
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Mike,
That was exactly my point. I guess I should have been more clear that the first paragraph was at least a little sarcastic, but I was on a roll with the rest of it, and was typing slower than my thoughts were moving. I thought that the rest would make the point that shallower areas of public perception would not see the IMMEDIATE benefits to the current program.
Why go into space? Why ride a motorcycle? Or mountainbike, or rock climb, or ski? The fundamental reason "that its there" may provide internal motivation for those that do it, but it has not prevented a majority of relatives & friends questioning my sanity for participating in such "dangerous" activities. However, I don't ask them to fund them either. The program needs something to capture the imagination, not merely to attend to "mundane" tasks that "if you weren't involved in the field of the experiment you would never have known it was going on."
Ben |
Spiderman
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 03:41 pm: |
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Just some food for thought.Re-entry of the shuttle is a very complicated process. Just being off by 1 degree can cause a craft to desentigrate.
The pilot of this recent shuttle mission, was his first shuttle flight. So if the smallest thing went wrong BAM!!!
They said on CNN the other night that the aleron (the wing flaps) sensor was damaged. SO if it is like your TPS sensor and reads angles of the Aleron and was off by that on degree. |
Benm2
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 03:53 pm: |
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From what I heard, sounds like thermal failure, followed by structural. The first alarms received were for high temperatures & high tire pressures. I'd guess some heat tiles got damaged during takeoff, that allowed parts of the wing to get hot. The heat weakened the material, and the wing (or some part of it) failed, and then it tore itself apart. Mach 18 is pretty fast... |
Mikej
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 03:54 pm: |
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But the control of the re-entry is via computer as things happen too fast for a "pilot" to fly it manually. He also had the Wisconsinite as his backup and it was her duty to help in case of problems and assist in identifying and correcting any anomolies that might have appeared. They knew 6 minutes prior to disruption that something was wrong (according to news reports), which is time to diagnose some problems and consider alternative actions. What they did in those 6 minutes has been recorded and in all probability is being minutely analyzed bit by bit, but we as the general public may never be made aware of what transpired apart from a very generalized reduced transcription of the basics. This may take months or years to release the data. |
Rick_A
| | Posted on Monday, February 03, 2003 - 03:59 pm: |
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I heard a lot of reports about problems with the shuttle that were eventually deemed acceptable before launch after testing. Supposedly the launch was already months behind schedule and the shuttle had already been overhauled. I had a feeling after hearing all that, that something was going to go wrong. I was sure of it...between the problems pre-launch and the one(s) during. I really wasn't surprised after the tragedy had ensued. I am curious as to which factor contributed to it's ultimate demise.
These astronauts should be remembered but not pitied. They were doing their job and knew the risks. |
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