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Blake
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Following is the text of Tuesday's State of the Union address, which President Bush delivered to a nationally televised joint session of Congress.


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Mr. Speaker, Vice President Cheney, members of Congress, distinguished citizens and fellow citizens,

Every year, by law and by custom, we meet here to consider the state of the union. This year, we gather in this chamber deeply aware of decisive days that lie ahead.

You and I serve our country in a time of great consequence. During this session of Congress, we have the duty to reform domestic programs vital to our country, we have the opportunity to save millions of lives abroad from a terrible disease. We will work for a prosperity that is broadly shared, and we will answer every danger and every enemy that threatens the American people.

(APPLAUSE)

In all these days of promise and days of reckoning, we can be confident. During the last two years we have seen what can be accomplished when we work together.

To lift the standards of our public schools, we achieved historic education reform which must now be carried out in every school and in every classroom so that every child in American can read and learn and succeed in life.

(APPLAUSE)

To protect our country, we reorganized our government and created the Department of Homeland Security, which is mobilizing against the threats of a new era.

To bring our economy out of recession, we delivered the largest tax relief in a generation.

(APPLAUSE)

To insist on integrity in American business, we passed tough reforms, and we are holding corporate criminals to account.

(APPLAUSE)

Some might call this a good record. I call it a good start. Tonight I ask the House and the Senate to join me in the next bold steps to serve our fellow citizens.

Our first goal is clear: We must have an economy that grows fast enough to employ every man and woman who seeks a job.

(APPLAUSE)

After recession, terrorist attacks, corporate scandals and stock market declines, our economy is recovering. Yet it is not growing fast enough, or strongly enough.

With unemployment rising, our nation needs more small businesses to open, more companies to invest and expand, more employers to put up the sign that says, ``Help Wanted.''

(APPLAUSE)

Jobs are created when the economy grows; the economy grows when Americans have more money to spend and invest; and the best and fairest way to make sure Americans have that money is not to tax it away in the first place.

(APPLAUSE)

I am proposing that all the income tax reductions set for 2004 and 2006 be made permanent and effective this year.

(APPLAUSE)

And under my plan, as soon as I've signed the bill, this extra money will start showing up in workers' paychecks.

Instead of gradually reducing the marriage penalty, we should do it now.

(APPLAUSE)

Instead of slowly raising the child credit to $1,000, we should send the checks to American families now.

(APPLAUSE) This tax relief is for everyone who pays income taxes, and it will help our economy immediately. Ninety-two million Americans will keep this year an average of almost $1,100 more of their own money. A family of four with an income of $40,000 would see their federal income taxes fall from $1,178 to $45 per year.

(APPLAUSE)

And our plan will improve the bottom line for more than 23 million small businesses.

You, the Congress, have already passed all these reductions, and promised them for future years. If this tax relief is good for Americans three or five or seven years from now, it is even better for Americans today.

(APPLAUSE)

We should also strengthen the economy by treating investors equally in our tax laws. It's fair to tax a company's profits. It is not fair to again tax the shareholder on the same profits.

(APPLAUSE)

To boost investor confidence, and to help the nearly 10 million seniors who receive dividend income, I ask you to end the unfair double taxation of dividends.

(APPLAUSE) Lower taxes and greater investment will help this economy expand. More jobs mean more taxpayers and higher revenues to our government.

The best way to address the deficit and move toward a balanced budget is to encourage economic growth and to show some spending discipline in Washington, D.C.

(APPLAUSE) We must work together to fund only our most important priorities. I will send you a budget that increases discretionary spending by 4 percent next year, about as much as the average family's income is expected to grow. And that is a good benchmark for us: Federal spending should not rise any faster than the paychecks of American families.

(APPLAUSE)

A growing economy and a focus on essential priorities will be crucial to the future of Social Security. As we continue to work together to keep Social Security sound and reliable, we must offer younger workers a chance to invest in retirement accounts that they will control and they will own.

(APPLAUSE)

Our second goal is high quality, affordable health for all Americans.

(APPLAUSE)

The American system of medicine is a model of skill and innovation, with a pace of discovery that is adding good years to our lives. Yet for many people, medical care costs too much, and many have no coverage at all.

These problems will not be solved with a nationalized health care system that dictates coverage and rations care.

(APPLAUSE)

Instead, we must work toward a system in which all Americans have a good insurance policy, choose their own doctors, and seniors and low-income Americans receive the help they need.

(APPLAUSE)

Instead of bureaucrats and trial lawyers and HMOs, we must put doctors and nurses and patients back in charge of American medicine.

(APPLAUSE)

Health care reform must begin with Medicare; Medicare is the binding commitment of a caring society.

(APPLAUSE)

We must renew that commitment by giving seniors access to the preventive medicine and new drugs that are transforming health care in America.

Seniors happy with the current Medicare system should be able to keep their coverage just the way it is.

(APPLAUSE)

And just like you, the members of Congress, and your staffs and other federal employees, all seniors should have the choice of a health care plan that provides prescription drugs.

(APPLAUSE) My budget will commit an additional $400 billion over the next decade to reform and strengthen Medicare. Leaders of both political parties have talked for years about strengthening Medicare. I urge the members of this new Congress to act this year.

(APPLAUSE)

To improve our health care system, we must address one of the prime causes of higher cost: the constant threat that physicians and hospitals will be unfairly sued.

(APPLAUSE)

Because of excessive litigation, everybody pays more for health care, and many parts of America are losing fine doctors. No one has ever been healed by a frivolous lawsuit; I urge the Congress to pass medical liability reform.

(APPLAUSE)

Our third goal is to promote energy independence for our country, while dramatically improving the environment.

(APPLAUSE)

I have sent you a comprehensive energy plan to promote energy efficiency and conservation, to develop cleaner technology, and to produce more energy at home.

(APPLAUSE)

I have sent you clear skies legislation that mandates a 70 percent cut in air pollution from power plants over the next 15 years.

(APPLAUSE)

I have sent you a healthy forest initiative to help prevent the catastrophic fires that devastate communities, kill wildlife and burn away millions of acres of treasured forests.

(APPLAUSE)

I urge you to pass these measures for the good of both our environment and our economy.

(APPLAUSE)

Even more, I ask you to take a crucial step and protect our environment in ways that generations before us could not have imagined.

In this century, the greatest environmental progress will come about not through endless lawsuits or command-and-control regulations, but through technology and innovation.

Tonight I'm proposing $1.2 billion in research funding so that America can lead the world in developing clean, hydrogen-powered automobiles.

(APPLAUSE)

A simple chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen generates energy, which can be used to power a car, producing only water, not exhaust fumes. With a new national commitment, our scientists and engineers will overcome obstacles to taking these cars from laboratory to showroom, so that the first car driven by a child born today could be powered by hydrogen, and pollution-free.

(APPLAUSE)

Join me in this important innovation to make our air significantly cleaner, and our country much less dependent on foreign sources of energy.

(APPLAUSE)

Our fourth goal is to apply the compassion of America to the deepest problems of America. For so many in our country--the homeless, and the fatherless, the addicted--the need is great. Yet there is power--wonder-working power--in the goodness and idealism and faith of the American people.

Americans are doing the work of compassion every day: visiting prisoners, providing shelter for battered women, bringing companionship to lonely seniors. These good works deserve our praise, they deserve our personal support and, when appropriate, they deserve the assistance of the federal government.

(APPLAUSE)

I urge you to pass both my faith-based initiative and the Citizen Service Act to encourage acts of compassion that can transform America one heart and one soul at a time.

(APPLAUSE)

Last year, I called on my fellow citizens to participate in the USA Freedom Corps, which is enlisting tens of thousands of new volunteers across America.

Tonight I ask Congress and the American people to focus the spirit of service and the resources of government on the needs of some of our most vulnerable citizens: boys and girls trying to grow up without guidance and attention, and children who have to go through a prison gate to be hugged by their mom or dad.

I propose a $450 million initiative to bring mentors to more than a million disadvantaged junior high students and children of prisoners.

Government will support the training and recruiting of mentors, yet it is the men and women of America who will fill the need. One mentor, one person, can change a life forever, and I urge you to be that one person.

(APPLAUSE)

Another cause of hopelessness is addiction to drugs. Addiction crowds out friendship, ambition, moral conviction, and reduces all the richness of life to a single destructive desire.

As a government, we are fighting illegal drugs by cutting off supplies and reducing demand through anti-drug education programs. Yet for those already addicted, the fight against drugs is a fight for their own lives.

Too many Americans in search of treatment cannot get it. So tonight I propose a new $600 million program to help an additional 300,000 Americans receive treatment over the next three years.

(APPLAUSE)

Our nation is blessed with recovery programs that do amazing work. One of them is found at the Healing Place Church in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. A man in the program said, ``God does miracles in people's lives, and you never think it could be you.''

Tonight, let us bring to all Americans who struggle with drug addiction this message of hope: The miracle of recovery is possible, and it could be you.

(APPLAUSE) By caring for children who need mentors, and for addicted men and women who need treatment, we are building a more welcoming society, a culture that values every life.

And in this work we must not overlook the weakest among us. I ask you to protect infants at the very hour of their birth and end the practice of partial-birth abortion.

(APPLAUSE)

And because no human life should be started or ended as the object of an experiment, I ask you to set a high standard for humanity and pass a law against all human cloning.

(APPLAUSE)

The qualities of courage and compassion that we strive for in America also determine our conduct abroad. The American flag stands for more than our power and our interests. Our founders dedicated this country to the cause of human dignity, the rights of every person and the possibilities of every life.

This conviction leads us into the world to help the afflicted, and defend the peace, and confound the designs of evil men.

In Afghanistan, we helped to liberate an oppressed people, and we will continue helping them secure their country, rebuild their society and educate all their children, boys and girls.

(APPLAUSE)

In the Middle East, we will continue to seek peace between a secure Israel and a democratic Palestine.

(APPLAUSE)

Across the Earth, America is feeding the hungry. More than 60 percent of international food aid comes as a gift from the people of the United States.

As our nation moves troops and builds alliances to make our world safer, we must also remember our calling, as a blessed country, is to make the world better.

Today, on the continent of Africa, nearly 30 million people have the AIDS virus, including 3 million children under the age of 15. There are whole countries in Africa where more than one-third of the adult population carries the infection. More than 4 million require immediate drug treatment. Yet across that continent, only 50,000 AIDS victims--only 50,000--are receiving the medicine they need.

Because the AIDS diagnosis is considered a death sentence, many do not seek treatment. Almost all who do are turned away.

A doctor in rural South Africa describes his frustration. He says, ``We have no medicines, many hospitals tell people, 'You've got AIDS. We can't help you. Go home and die'.'' In an age of miraculous medicines, no person should have to hear those words.

(APPLAUSE)

AIDS can be prevented. Anti-retroviral drugs can extend life for many years. And the cost of those drugs has dropped from $12,000 a year to under $300 a year, which places a tremendous possibility within our grasp.

Ladies and gentlemen, seldom has history offered a greater opportunity to do so much for so many. We have confronted, and will continue to confront, HIV/AIDS in our own country. And to meet a severe and urgent crisis abroad, tonight I propose the Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, a work of mercy beyond all current international efforts to help the people of Africa.

This comprehensive plan will prevent 7 million new AIDS infections, treat at least 2 million people with life-extending drugs and provide humane care for millions of people suffering from AIDS and for children orphaned by AIDS.

I ask the Congress to commit $15 billion over the next five years, including nearly $10 billion in new money, to turn the tide against AIDS in the most afflicted nations of Africa and the Caribbean.

(APPLAUSE)

This nation can lead the world in sparing innocent people from a plague of nature.

And this nation is leading the world in confronting and defeating the man-made evil of international terrorism.

(APPLAUSE)

There are days when our fellow citizens do not hear news about the war on terror. There's never a day when I do not learn of another threat, or receive reports of operations in progress or give an order in this global war against a scattered network of killers. The war goes on, and we are winning.

(APPLAUSE)

To date we have arrested or otherwise dealt with many key commanders of Al Qaeda. They include a man who directed logistics and funding for the September the 11th attacks, the chief of Al Qaeda operations in the Persian Gulf who planned the bombings of our embassies in East Africa and the USS Cole, an Al Qaeda operations chief from Southeast Asia, a former director of Al Qaeda's training camps in Afghanistan, a key Al Qaeda operative in Europe, a major Al Qaeda leader in Yemen.

All told, more than 3,000 suspected terrorists have been arrested in many countries.

And many others have met a different fate. Let's put it this way: They are no longer a problem to the United States and our friends and allies.

(APPLAUSE)

We are working closely with other nations to prevent further attacks. America and coalition countries have uncovered and stopped terrorist conspiracies targeting the embassy in Yemen, the American embassy in Singapore, a Saudi military base, ships in the Straits of Hormuz and the Straits of Gibraltar. We've broken Al Qaeda cells in Hamburg and Milan and Madrid and London and Paris--as well as Buffalo, New York.

We've got the terrorists on the run. We're keeping them on the run. One by one the terrorists are learning the meaning of American justice.

(APPLAUSE)

As we fight this war, we will remember where it began: here, in our own country. This government is taking unprecedented measures to protect our people and defend our homeland.

We've intensified security at the borders and ports of entry, posted more than 50,000 newly trained federal screeners in airports, begun inoculating troops and first responders against smallpox, and are deploying the nation's first early warning network of sensors to detect biological attack.

And this year, for the first time, we are beginning to field a defense to protect this nation against ballistic missiles.

(APPLAUSE)

I thank the Congress for supporting these measures. I ask you tonight to add to our future security with a major research and production effort to guard our people against bio-terrorism, called Project Bioshield.

The budget I send you will propose almost $6 billion to quickly make available effective vaccines and treatments against agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, ebola and plague. We must assume that our enemies would use these diseases as weapons, and we must act before the dangers are upon us.

(APPLAUSE)

Since September the 11th, our intelligence and law enforcement agencies have worked more closely than ever to track and disrupt the terrorists. The FBI is improving its ability to analyze intelligence, and is transforming itself to meet new threats.

Tonight, I am instructing the leaders of the FBI, the CIA, the Homeland Security and the Department of Defense to develop a Terrorist Threat Integration Center, to merge and analyze all threat information in a single location.

Our government must have the very best information possible, and we will use it to make sure the right people are in the right places to protect our citizens.

(APPLAUSE)

Our war against terror is a contest of will in which perseverance is power. In the ruins of two towers, at the western wall of the Pentagon, on a field in Pennsylvania, this nation made a pledge, and we renew that pledge tonight: Whatever the duration of this struggle and whatever the difficulties, we will not permit the triumph of violence in the affairs of men; free people will set the course of history.

(APPLAUSE)

Today, the gravest danger in the war on terror, the gravest danger facing America and the world, is outlaw regimes that seek and possess nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.

These regimes could use such weapons for blackmail, terror and mass murder. They could also give or sell those weapons to terrorist allies, who would use them without the least hesitation.

This threat is new; America's duty is familiar. Throughout the 20th century, small groups of men seized control of great nations, built armies and arsenals, and set out to dominate the weak and intimidate the world.

In each case, their ambitions of cruelty and murder had no limit. In each case, the ambitions of Hitlerism, militarism and communism were defeated by the will of free peoples, by the strength of great alliances and by the might of the United States of America.

(APPLAUSE)

Now, in this century, the ideology of power and domination has appeared again and seeks to gain the ultimate weapons of terror.

Once again, this nation and our friends are all that stand between a world at peace, and a world of chaos and constant alarm. Once again, we are called to defend the safety of our people and the hopes of all mankind. And we accept this responsibility.

(APPLAUSE)

America is making a broad and determined effort to confront these dangers. We have called on the United Nations to fulfill its charter and stand by its demand that Iraq disarm. We are strongly supporting the International Atomic Energy Agency in its mission to track and control nuclear materials around the world. We are working with other governments to secure nuclear materials in the former Soviet Union and to strengthen global treaties banning the production and shipment of missile technologies and weapons of mass destruction.

In all of these efforts, however, America's purpose is more than to follow a process. It is to achieve a result: the end of terrible threats to the civilized world.

All free nations have a stake in preventing sudden and catastrophic attacks, and we're asking them to join us, and many are doing so. Yet the course of this nation does not depend on the decisions of others.

(APPLAUSE)

Whatever action is required, whenever action is necessary, I will defend the freedom and security of the American people.

(APPLAUSE)

Different threats require different strategies. In Iran we continue to see a government that represses its people, pursues weapons of mass destruction and supports terror.

We also see Iranian citizens risking intimidation and death as they speak out for liberty and human rights and democracy. Iranians, like all people, have a right to choose their own government, and determine their own destiny, and the United States supports their aspirations to live in freedom.

(APPLAUSE)

On the Korean Peninsula, an oppressive regime rules a people living in fear and starvation. Throughout the 1990s, the United States relied on a negotiated framework to keep North Korea from gaining nuclear weapons. We now know that that regime was deceiving the world and developing those weapons all along.

And today the North Korean regime is using its nuclear program to incite fear and seek concessions.

America and the world will not be blackmailed.

(APPLAUSE)

America is working with the countries of the region--South Korea, Japan, China and Russia--to find a peaceful solution and to show the North Korean government that nuclear weapons will bring only isolation, economic stagnation and continued hardship.

(APPLAUSE)

The North Korean regime will find respect in the world and revival for its people only when it turns away from its nuclear ambitions.

(APPLAUSE)

Our nation and the world must learn the lessons of the Korean Peninsula and not allow an even greater threat to rise up in Iraq. A brutal dictator, with a history of reckless aggression, with ties to terrorism, with great potential wealth will not be permitted to dominate a vital region and threaten the United States.

(APPLAUSE)

Twelve years ago, Saddam Hussein faced the prospect of being the last casualty in a war he had started and lost. To spare himself, he agreed to disarm of all weapons of mass destruction.

For the next 12 years, he systematically violated that agreement. He pursued chemical, biological and nuclear weapons even while inspectors were in his country.

Nothing to date has restrained him from his pursuit of these weapons: not economic sanctions, not isolation from the civilized world, not even cruise missile strikes on his military facilities.

Almost three months ago, the United Nations Security Council gave Saddam Hussein his final chance to disarm. He has shown instead utter contempt for the United Nations and for the opinion of the world.

The 108 U.N. inspectors were not sent to conduct a scavenger hunt for hidden materials across a country the size of California. The job of the inspectors is to verify that Iraq's regime is disarming.

It is up to Iraq to show exactly where it is hiding its banned weapons, lay those weapons out for the world to see and destroy them as directed. Nothing like this has happened. The United Nations concluded in 1999 that Saddam Hussein had biological weapons materials sufficient to produce over 25,000 liters of anthrax; enough doses to kill several million people. He hasn't accounted for that material. He has given no evidence that he has destroyed it.

The United Nations concluded that Saddam Hussein had materials sufficient to produce more than 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin; enough to subject millions of people to death by respiratory failure. He hasn't accounted for that material. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed it.

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent. In such quantities, these chemical agents could also kill untold thousands. He's not accounted for these materials. He has given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents. Inspectors recently turned up 16 of them, despite Iraq's recent declaration denying their existence. Saddam Hussein has not accounted for the remaining 29,984 of these prohibited munitions. He has given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

From three Iraqi defectors we know that Iraq, in the late 1990s, had several mobile biological weapons labs. These are designed to produce germ warfare agents and can be moved from place to place to evade inspectors. Saddam Hussein has not disclosed these facilities. He has given no evidence that he has destroyed them.

The International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed in the 1990s that Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program, had a design for a nuclear weapon and was working on five different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb.

The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.

Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production.

Saddam Hussein has not credibly explained these activities. He clearly has much to hide.

The dictator of Iraq is not disarming. To the contrary, he is deceiving.

From intelligence sources, we know, for instance, that thousands of Iraqi security personnel are at work hiding documents and materials from the U.N. inspectors, sanitizing inspection sites and monitoring the inspectors themselves.

Iraqi officials accompany the inspectors in order to intimidate witnesses. Iraq is blocking U-2 surveillance flights requested by the United Nations.

Iraqi intelligence officers are posing as the scientists inspectors are supposed to interview. Real scientists have been coached by Iraqi officials on what to say.

Intelligence sources indicate that Saddam Hussein has ordered that scientists who cooperate with U.N. inspectors in disarming Iraq will be killed, along with their families.

Year after year, Saddam Hussein has gone to elaborate lengths, spent enormous sums, taken great risks to build and keep weapons of mass destruction. But why? The only possible explanation, the only possible use he could have for those weapons, is to dominate, intimidate or attack.

With nuclear arms or a full arsenal of chemical and biological weapons, Saddam Hussein could resume his ambitions of conquest in the Middle East and create deadly havoc in that region.

And this Congress and the American people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaeda. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own.

Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained.

Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans, this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known.

We will do everything in our power to make sure that that day never comes.

(APPLAUSE)

Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike?

If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option.

(APPLAUSE)

The dictator who is assembling the world's most dangerous weapons has already used them on whole villages, leaving thousands of his own citizens dead, blind or disfigured.

Iraqi refugees tell us how forced confessions are obtained: by torturing children while their parents are made to watch. International human rights groups have catalogued other methods used in the torture chambers of Iraq: electric shock, burning with hot irons, dripping acid on the skin, mutilation with electric drills, cutting out tongues, and rape.

If this is not evil, then evil has no meaning.

(APPLAUSE)

And tonight I have a message for the brave and oppressed people of Iraq: Your enemy is not surrounding your country, your enemy is ruling your country.

(APPLAUSE)

And the day he and his regime are removed from power will be the day of your liberation. (APPLAUSE)

The world has waited 12 years for Iraq to disarm. America will not accept a serious and mounting threat to our country and our friends and our allies.

The United States will ask the U.N. Security Council to convene on February the 5th to consider the facts of Iraq's ongoing defiance of the world. Secretary of State Powell will present information and intelligence about Iraq's illegal weapons programs, its attempts to hide those weapons from inspectors and its links to terrorist groups.

We will consult, but let there be no misunderstanding: If Saddam Hussein does not fully disarm for the safety of our people, and for the peace of the world, we will lead a coalition to disarm him.

(APPLAUSE)

Tonight I have a message for the men and women who will keep the peace, members of the American armed forces. Many of you are assembling in or near the Middle East, and some crucial hours may lay ahead.

In those hours, the success of our cause will depend on you. Your training has prepared you. Your honor will guide you. You believe in America and America believes in you.

(APPLAUSE)

Sending Americans into battle is the most profound decision a president can make. The technologies of war have changed. The risks and suffering of war have not.

For the brave Americans who bear the risk, no victory is free from sorrow. This nation fights reluctantly, because we know the cost, and we dread the days of mourning that always come.

We seek peace. We strive for peace. And sometimes peace must be defended. A future lived at the mercy of terrible threats is no peace at all.

If war is forced upon us, we will fight in a just cause and by just means, sparing, in every way we can, the innocent.

And if war is forced upon us, we will fight with the full force and might of the United States military, and we will prevail.

(APPLAUSE)

And as we and our coalition partners are doing in Afghanistan, we will bring to the Iraqi people food and medicines and supplies and freedom.

(APPLAUSE)

Many challenges, abroad and at home, have arrived in a single season. In two years, America has gone from a sense of invulnerability to an awareness of peril, from bitter division in small matters to calm unity in great causes.

And we go forward with confidence, because this call of history has come to the right country.

Americans are a resolute people, who have risen to every test of our time. Adversity has revealed the character of our country, to the world, and to ourselves.

America is a strong nation and honorable in the use of our strength. We exercise power without conquest, and we sacrifice for the liberty of strangers.

Americans are a free people, who know that freedom is the right of every person and the future of every nation. The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world; it is God's gift to humanity.

(APPLAUSE)

We Americans have faith in ourselves, but not in ourselves alone. We do not claim to know all the ways of Providence, yet we can trust in them, placing our confidence in the loving God behind all of life and all of history. May he guide us now, and may God continue to bless the United States of America.

Thank you.


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Court
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 04:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thank you
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Bomber
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Thanks, Blake . . .. . good to have the text available
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Nevco1
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Thanks Blake...I can't wait for Powell's follow up speech supported with intelligence data to the UN which should further define the Treaty violations and Al Qaeda links. Should add the conviction needed to sway the Dove's both in the US and the UN.
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Blackbuellm2
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An alternative viewpoint.....
The Democtatic response given by Governor Gary Locke of Washington state

“Good evening.

“I want to commend the President for his strong and patriotic message tonight, and I can assure you of this: there were two parties tonight in the House Chamber, but one resolve. Like generations that came before us, we will pay any price and bear any burden to make sure that this proud nation wins the first war of the 21st Century.

“Tonight, we say to our men and women in uniform: thank you for your bravery, your skill and your sacrifice. When the history of this time is written, your courage will be listed in its proudest pages.

“To our friends around the world, we say thank you for your aid and support. True friendship is tested not only in treaties and trade, but in times of trial.

“To our enemies, we say with one voice: no act of violence - no threat will drive us apart or steer us from our course: to protect America and preserve our democracy. And make no mistake about it: we are going to hunt you down and make you pay.

“Now is not a time for finger-pointing or politics as usual. The men and women who are defending our freedom are not fighting for the Democratic Party or the Republican Party. They are fighting for the greatest country that has ever existed on earth: the United States of America.

“As Americans, we need to put partisanship aside and work together to solve the problems that face us. On the day after the attacks, I went to the Oval Office for a meeting with the President. I said, ‘Mr. President, we have to find a way to work together.’ I said, ‘we have to trust you - and you have to trust us.’

“Since that day, there has been no daylight between us in this war on terrorism. We have met almost every single week and built a bipartisan consensus that is helping America win this war.

“We also know that to defeat terrorism, our economy must be strong. For all the things that have changed in our world over the past four months, the needs of our families have not. While our attention has shifted, our values have not.

“We know that real security depends not just on justice abroad, but creating good jobs at home; not just on securing our borders, but strengthening Social Security and Medicare at home; not just on bringing governments together, but creating a government here at home that lives within its means, cuts wasteful spending, and invests in the future. Real security depends not just on meeting threats around the world, but living up to our highest values here at home.

“Our values call for tax cuts that promote growth and prosperity for all Americans. Our values call for protecting Social Security - and not gambling it away on the stock market. Our values call for helping patients and older Americans - not just big HMOs and pharmaceutical companies - ensuring that seniors don’t have to choose between food and medicine. Our values call for helping workers who have lost their 401(k) plans and protecting pensions from corporate mismanagement and abuse. Our values call for helping the unemployed - not just large corporations and the most fortunate.

“These same values guide us as we work toward a long-term plan for our nation. We want to roll up our sleeves and work with our President to end America’s dependence on foreign oil while preserving our environment - so we don’t see gas prices jump every year.

“We want to work together to recruit high-quality teachers and invest more in our schools while demanding more from them. We want to say to every student who wants to go to college and every worker who wants to update their skills: the first $10,000 of your education should be tax deductible. We want to work together to raise the minimum wage - because nobody who works hard and plays by the rules should be forced to live in poverty. We want to work together to create a universal pension system that follows a worker from job to job through life and protects employees from the next Enron.

“We want to work together to build our new economy, creating jobs by investing in technology so America can continue to lead the world in growth and opportunity. We want to work together to improve homeland security and protect our borders, to keep out those people who want to bring us harm - but also to celebrate our nation’s diversity and welcome those hard-working immigrants who pay taxes and keep our country strong. We want to work together - as we have over the last decade - to continue to build the best-trained, best-equipped fighting force on the face of the planet.

“I refuse to accept that while we stand shoulder to shoulder on the war, we should stand toe to toe on the economy. We need to find a way to respect each other, and trust each other, and work together to solve the long-term challenges America faces. I’m ready to roll up my sleeves and go to work. That’s one of the reasons I have proposed that next month, a group of leaders from both parties come together at the White House for an economic growth summit to figure out how we’re going to help businesses create jobs, reduce the deficit, simplify the tax code, and grow our economy.

“To accomplish these goals, we need a political system that is worthy of the people of this country. In the next several weeks, the House of Representatives will once again consider campaign finance reform. If the nation’s largest bankruptcy coupled with a clear example of paid political influence isn’t a prime case for reform, I don’t know what is. The forces aligned against this are powerful. So if you've never called or written your member of Congress, now is the time. I hope the President will stand with us to clean up the political system and get big money out of politics.

“Our nation has been through a lot the past four months. If it’s even possible to suggest a silver lining in this dark cloud that has fallen over our nation, it’s the renewed sense of community that we have seen across America. The more we are able to turn that renewed sense of purpose into a new call for service - to encourage more Americans - young and old - to get involved - join the Americorps, the Peace Corps, the military or other endeavors - the more we’re going to make our nation a model for all the good things that terrorists hate us for: hope, opportunity, and freedom.

“It was brought home to me how Americans are already answering that call when I spoke to a friend of mine, who is the head of a postal union. Shortly after we learned of the anthrax threat, I spoke with him and asked how he was doing. ‘Not well,’ he said. ‘We’ve lost two workers and some are sick.’ He said, ‘I went to New Jersey where they had some of the biggest problems. Because of anthrax, all the workers were working in a tent exposed to the cold - hand-sorting the mail.’

“He said: ‘I thought I was going to get an earful, but when I asked for questions, a man stood up and said, ‘I have been a postal worker for 30 years. We’re here and we’re going to stay here. And if we’ve got to be outside all winter, we’re going to stay here. The mail is going out. The terrorists will not win.’

“As one American said, the terrorists who attacked us wanted to teach us a lesson. They wanted us to know them. But these attacks make clear: they don’t know us. They don’t know what we will do to defend freedom, and they don’t know what they’ve started. But they’re beginning to find out.

“As we look ahead to the future, we do so with the knowledge that we can never fully know what the men and women we lost on that day would have accomplished; we can never know what would have been the full measure of their lives, or what they would have contributed to our world if they had lived. But one thing is certain: it is up to all of us to redeem the lives they would have lived with the lives we live today; and to make the most of our time here on earth. Let us be up to that challenge.

“Thank you. God Bless you and God Bless America.”
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Jim_Witt
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Blake,

I think the President did a fine job explaining to all of us his reasoning on why Iraq should be dealt with immediately. Hopefully next Wednesday our government will be able to supply us with a few more facts and details, therefore forcing the World into understanding the threat this administration sees. Let there be no misunderstanding, I'm 100% behind our military personal and our government in stopping terrorism and protecting our country, regardless of economic cost.

Of course I could be completely wrong, but on the economic part of his speech, I think the administration is totally missing the picture. Perhaps you can explain this to me.

So heres where I'm touch confused, State governments spent $1.1 trillion in FiscalYear 2000, exceeding the $1 trillion mark for the first time in U.S. history, according to state government revenue and expenditure tables released by the Commerce Department's Census Bureau (of course that was in 2000). While most state government spending was for direct current operations $523 billion, about 30 percent ($328 billion) went to support local governments. States also spent $76 billion on capital projects, more than $105 billion on insurance benefits (including unemployment benefits and pensions) and more than $30 billion on interest on debt.

The above governmental statistic alone (from 2000) should raise a red flag to every concerned American from an economic perspective. With the unemployment rate in all disciplines high (keep in mind that expired claims are not tracked) and still climbing, NAFTA, moving our manufacturing and technical expertise overseas, the stock market in shambles, government spending totally out of control, the job market extremely poor and nothing showing up on the horizon, bankruptcies at an all time high, bail outs the government has implemented (air-lines etc.), huge corporate fraud issues, numerous disaster relief funds (U.S. and Worldwide), sky-rocketing medical cost, more people entering the poverty and poor classification (according to the Census Reports), more people retiring and collecting their social security benefits, all military cost since 9/11 and those we haven't seen yet, new government agencies being formed (Homeland Security etc.), not to mention numerous items I cant think of. Note the actual statistics on the items Ive mentioned above are all available from our government on the Internet.

So how is cutting our taxes going to pay for any of the problems mentioned above? Where is the money coming from to fund the above expenditures? Does our President and government have a revenue generating tree at the White House that we don't know about or is he going to pass this on to the next administration.

-JW:>;)
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Court
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 01:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>> Does our President and government have a revenue generating tree at the White House

Actually, yes. And, therein lies the salient difference between "Public Accounting" (as in CPA) and Governmental Accounting.

The story is a bit long and confusing. Let me dig into my library and see if I can prepare a summary.

Court
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Whatever
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

RE-ELECT PRESIDENT GORE ! That is all I have to say for now. Simple solution... I know... to a complicated problem.
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Re?

I won't go into the speculation of what state the country would be in right now if gore had gained office, especially after 9-11.

And Locke represents King County, not Washington state. Similar situation as in California elections, as in D.C., as in N.Y., as in ....
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Whatever
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey Mike,

Check this out !
For Your Own Good !

Charlotte
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Whatever
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

See If This Works !
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 02:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Did you post that twice on purpose to make a statement????? ;)

There are lots of sites like that relative to either side, so I'll just tread lightly on this subject.
(But it is interesting in this case that the group you think would be associated with Gore is a .com and the group you think would be associated with Bush is a .org . :) )
Not all is as some would have you believe, there is always more to the story, and reasons for obfusivications.
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My one and only attempt at political humor for today:

A republican says: It's mine to keep.
A democrat says: It's mine to take.

One keeps what they have,
the other takes what the one has.

One is called stingy,
one is called greedy.

It's all a matter of perspective.

Okay, I'm done.
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Whatever
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well Mike,

I am actually more of a Socialist Democrat than anything, but in America we only have two parties... the Wolves and the Wolves In Sheep's Clothing...

Gotta go...
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Jim_Witt
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Court,

I think I found it, so you won't need to dig into your archives.

Cheers,
-JW:>;)
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Joey
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd be willing to guess that, in some secret place, probably a small town in China, The Bushes, Clintons, Gores, and the rest, gather together and celebrate their continuing success. George opens their guide book to look at what they're going to do next. He leafs through the pages. He sees "Newspeak" crossed out, and "Politically Correct" penciled in. Gore comments on how much fun it was to make a mockery of the election. Bush says, "One more time, and we might be able to get rid of this representative thing once and for all! It worked for Rome." Clinton would comment, but he's getting some well-needed felatio. They are waiting for the Chinese Prime Minister to show up so they can give U.S. companies more opportunities to save big wads of cash by opening more slave-labor camps. The story goes on...
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 02:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ah, Joey, I see you like the dusty corners and alcoa avenues. ;)
There always is and always will be backroom deals, but that doesn't mean there's a conspiracy.
doorway
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Josh
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 02:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

And just because you're not a paranoid-schizophrenic doesn't mean They're not out to get you.
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That's why I always lock my door, and keep a toothpick in the corner when I'm not home. A special toothpick with a specific number of notches precisely placed along it's length, and fit with a microscopic dab of adhesive on two sides so that it minutely rips at the wood as the door is opened.
(An imagination is a terrible thing to waste.);)
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Jim_Witt
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 02:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Humm ...

Guess no one wants to tackle my question specifically on the Presidents economy recover plan and how tax cuts will help the situation we are all in. I could care less what could have been done in past administrations, or what if scenarios and care to deal with reality (or optimism as some refer to it).

S'later,
-JW:>;)
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 03:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If the tax cuts are properly placed they will stimulate. If not they will have little net effect. I've been busy with other less intensive issues and haven't looked at his plan too closely. Plus I don't believe the details have been overly accurately advertised yet, have they? (Like I said, I've been otherwise engaged.)
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 03:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jim,

In everything there must be balance. It seems to me that the current administration's economic stimulus plan is well balanced between tax cuts for the common working family man/woman and important tax cuts for those that actually pay for most of our federal taxes and who also invest heavily in the stock market.

Stimulating investment in the stock market and in business benefits everyone that has a vested interest in the stock market. It helps to create jobs and new commerce and income, ergo it helps generate tax dollars.

He also admonished congress to control spending. :)

As to the stock market being in a "shambles"... why do you say that? Because of the drastic drop in value? Actually, the stock market was grossly overvalued and simply made a massive long overdue correction. Anything with a price to earnings ratio over 20 is usually overvalued. Lots of stocks were at a PE ratio of over 30, some over 50. That was ridiculous; that was a shambles of investment. Blame all the 401K's and blindly investing mutual fund neauveau marketeers. I'm one of them. ohwell The stock market isn't charging like it was, but it certainly is not in a shambles. Inflation is in check, and unemployment as always is going through an expected cycle. The answer to the lagging economy is for people to get a spine and get back on the airplanes, into hotels and to quit cowering in the corner afraid and whimpering of what *might* happen.


Char,
So you are a proponent of overturning our constitution so that your personal choice for president could be elected? I feel your pain, really I do. But I am not for changine our constitution to remove the current electorial process in favor of a national popular vote. I treasure the role of our separate and sovereign States and despise the errosion of that once clear and unshakable founding concept of this nation.

I'll tell you what I am a proponent of though... just like in some states where the governor must win by a clear majority (read >50%) of the vote, our presidential election should follow the same common cense rule. If only that were true, the disgrace and national embarrassment known as Slick (can I offer you a cigar) Willy -- Bill (, that's the prettiest dress I've come accross) Clinton would have NEVER been elected president and his wife would not be NY Senator. What I would propose is that we require a runoff. How do you like that idea? In the case where no candidate garnered more than 50% of the popular vote in a state that state would conduct a runoff election between the top two candidates. Simple enough eh?
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Cowboy
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It seems clear to most what has to be done, Once the Med. East is stableized I think you will see the economy get very strong.
After living there for 20+ yrs. I understand peace will only come after a good Ass kicking
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Cjmblast
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 03:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

As for the stock market and 401K - now is the best time to continue buying, NOT bailing out !!

A required run-off, good idea !! If Gore had been in office after 9-11, I would have been afraid, very afraid !! Republican here !

CJM
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Bluzm2
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 04:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jim,
Interesting info from the IRS.
Check this link. Down at the bottom is the good stuff.
http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/pub/irs-soi/00in01rt.xls
In a nut shell, the top 1% of income earners in the US pay over 37% of the federal income tax load.
The top 5% pay over 56% of the load.
The top 10% pay over 67% of the freight.
the top 25% pay over 84% of ALL federal income taxes.

Big deal you say? If you have a combined family income of $74,000 you are in the top 5%.
You are now in the group the liberals are calling "rich".
I don't know about you, but I don't feel very rich at the beginning of the month when bills and mortgage are due.

Oh, to be in the exclusive club of the "filthy rich" you must have a combined income of $182,000.

The tax cuts the Dem's/liberals are proposing is for the "working class". So, just who the hell is the working class?
They won't answer that question directly.
They want tax cuts for the poor. Hmm, according to the IRS info those in the lower 50% of wage earners pay less than 4% of total federal income taxes!

In order to stimulate the economy, you have to create employment. It's not the lower 50% that create jobs, it's the top 25% and above. If they have more money to invest in a business and on other things, they are the ones who will be responsible for a recovery.

An interesting story sent to me recently. Addresses the above topic perfectly.

A bit long but worth reading.

Subject: our tax system

Thought you might enjoy reading this....

Perhaps this is somewhat of an over simplification, but it appears to be the
closest characterization of our tax system that I have seen. And at the very
least it's something to think about. I do every April 15th.

The Truth about Taxes by Kenneth Wangler

Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten
comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go
something like this:

The first four men-the poorest-would pay nothing;
The fifth would pay $1:
The sixth would pay $3;
The seventh $7;
The eighth $12;
The ninth $18.
The tenth man-the richest-would pay $59.

That's what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant
every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement-until one day, the
owner threw them a curve.

"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the
cost of your daily meal by $20."

So now dinner for the ten only cost $80. The group still wanted to pay their
bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They
would still eat for free. But what about the other six-the paying customers?
How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his
"fair share?"

The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they
subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man
would end up being *paid* to eat their meal. So the restaurant owner
suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the
same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh
paid$5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a
bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59.

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to
eat for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare
their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to
the tenth. "But he got $7!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too.
It's unfair that he got seven times more than me!"

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $7 back when I
got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get
anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate
without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered
something important. They were $52 short!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the
tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit
from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and
they just may not show up at the table anymore.

Unfortunately, Liberals cannot grasp this straight-forward logic!

--Kenneth Wangler

Lets the flames begin!!!!

Brad
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Joey
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Actually, the first four men do get paid to eat. Remember that Earned Income Tax Credit? I have a sister-in-law who paid about $40 in taxes last year. She got $1000+ back.
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Bomber
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 04:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake . . . I like your election common sense rule . . . .but then, we'd BOTH of us be grousing about President X . . . .and X would certainly NOT be GWB, as he got no where near 50% . . . . .

I agree, though, that changing the constitution to oust one person would almost certainly net us a worse replacement, no matter what
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Bluzm2
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 05:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Joey,
Another classic example of income redistribution. :)
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Whatever
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake,

You know I can't argue with you because you are TOO SMART and I am TOO SMARTASS... In a 'perfect world' the Constitution of the United States of America would state "All men and women regardless of race, creed, color, economic status and sexual orientation are created equal...". Just my politically correct smartass opinion. :roflol:

Charlotte
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Nevco1
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I may whine about high taxes, but politicians that give tax cuts or rebate checks are out of line. All this does is pay down existing credit and contributes very little to the backbone of our economy.

The surplus, if such a thing ever existed, should go to stimulating employment within the US. Previously used and successful examples include investment tax credits for domestic expenditures, wage subsidy programs, training programs, etc..

Bottom line is we IMPORT people both legally and illegally and EXPORT jobs. How are we going to remain a nation of consumers if we can't afford to buy anything. Much less a World Power, if all we make is weaponry.

Addendum: A number of major retailers in the US used to require that the manufacturers put the cute little American Flag and "Made in USA" on our packaging. Then one day, they demanded we take it off as it was queering the sales of their direct import products, which happened to be knock-offs of our bread and butter products. Go Figure!!!
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Jim_Witt
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 07:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Brad,

I wish that I had taken an interest in all this over the years instead of complaining and really tried to thoroughly understand it all. Theres a big difference in how some think the system works and how it actually works. One thing I do know however is I must be classified as rich. I work extremely long hours, single, and in the 50% tax bracket. On another note, years ago when I had my business, I was far better off than today, simply because of the tax write offs that were available.

BTW, when you have the time, check this site out. Execellent article as was your posting.

Even so, I still don't believe the tax cuts will solve the debt we've accumulated, which was sort of my question.

S'later,
-JW:>;)
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Jim_Witt
Posted on Thursday, January 30, 2003 - 09:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake replied:

Stimulating investment in the stock market and in business benefits everyone that has a vested interest in the stock market. It helps to create jobs and new commerce and income, ergo it helps generate tax dollars ....


Im not trying to be argumentative but I don't see it working that way and granted I could be wrong. The tax cuts might stimulate business therefore in turn perking up the stock market, but I dont see it generating physical jobs for Americans in America. I also realize I only deal with a specific economic sector in my discipline, that being semiconductor pharmaceutical, bio-pharmaceutical and electrical generating stations.

The outlook for U.S. jobs and newly constructed U.S. semiconductor manufacturing facilities isnt to bright according to the corporate gurus I deal with. Plus everything has been going overseas, including scheduled facilities to be built here in the last two years. We have cut back 90% of our workforce, including major corporate layoffs (many who have been there for 30 years) in the last 2 years. Tax cuts may bring that industry back, but it will be overseas. However if jobs a far and few here no one will be able to purchase whatever they manufacture.

New construction in the pharmaceutical sector is booming however and has been for the last couple of years. As a matter of fact, 2 of the largest pharmaceutical facilities in the country are coming out of the ground as we speak (Manassas VA. and Oceanside CA.). This could be the next big boom so to speak as the semiconductor was for the last 8 years. Of course in my opinion they too will be moving overseas once they modularize their operations. Who knows, that might be a good thing. Maybe the prices of our prescription drugs will drop drastically.

Im assuming the only reason we dont build all of our powerhouses overseas is it isnt feasible or safe getting the electricity back to the states (smile). In the last 2 years, 12 powerhouses have been contracted out to Mexico, built in Mexico of course.

I'm sure they are other industries I'm not in tune with where the tax cuts will benefit the companies and economy and even generate jobs for Americans. Of course those foreign own companies get huge tax incentives and pay far fewer taxes than American owned companies and will always do whats best for their own country.

Dunno, still confused,
-JW:>;)
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Bluzm2
Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 12:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jim,
Good article! Basically echos what I said.
Regarding the tax cuts being dumb at this time I'll repeat something our new governer said upon taking office.
As you may have heard Minn has a huge defecit looming.
His quote is "We dont have a tax revenue problem, we have a SPENDING problem".
That speaks mouthfuls. The largest single employer in the state of MN is the state!
Our traffic sucks up here (nothing compaired to LA but our fereeways are smaller).
Whenever there is a state "holiday" where everyone else is working there is no rush hour!
Granted the bank workers are at home also but the VAST majority is public workers.
The same problem exists at the federal level.
Or government is too big. We don't need half the crap they supposedly "do for us".

I'll go back to my cave and shut up. This whole topic really jerks my chain.

Brad
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Dynarider
Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 02:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If you have a combined family income of $74,000 you are in the top 5%.
You are now in the group the liberals are calling "rich".
==================================================

LOL, the wife is gonna love it when I tell her we are considered rich by a wide margin:D

What a joke.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, January 31, 2003 - 03:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That $74,000 and the other taxable income figures listed above are "adjusted gross incomes."

Jim,
To find out where/how to recover employment, simply look at what caused the majority of the lost jobs in the first place. Like I said, all the pantywaist fearmongers need to get their asses back on the airplanes and into hotels and restaurants. The terrorists have struck a significant blow and the cowards of our nation are helping it propagate. Makes me sick.

"Even so, I still don't believe the tax cuts will solve the debt we've accumulated, which was sort of my question."

Whoa, backup there pard. Just like in business, debt does not figure into the health of a company as long as cash flow is where it needs to be. Stimulating the economy doesn't have diddly to do with reducing the debt. The debt can increase simultaneously while the economy grows/improves. The trouble comes, as we now have, when interest payments become a significant portion of total expenses. We do need to pay down our debt though, I agree. It's just not tied to a near term economic recovery.

Brad,
That was great. I'm going to have to memorize that. Thanks.
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Dynarider
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That $74,000 and the other taxable income figures listed above are "adjusted gross incomes."
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Like I said the wife is gonna love hearing we are rich:D Made a boatload last year Blake, I dont have any of it tho. Lots of cool stuff but no money. Hope the Bush baby doesnt try & institute a "fun tax". Anything thats fun will automatically get a 9% surcharge.
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Letter from Europe published in London Times yesterday...


Quote:

Opinion
January 30, 2003

Europe and America Must Stand United

THE real bond between the United States and Europe is the values we share: democracy, individual freedom, human rights and the Rule of Law. These values crossed the Atlantic with those who sailed from Europe to help create the USA. Today they are under greater threat than ever.
The attacks of 11 September showed just how far terrorists — the enemies of our common values — are prepared to go to destroy them. Those outrages were an attack on all of us. In standing firm in defence of these principles, the governments and people of the United States and Europe have amply demonstrated the strength of their convictions. Today more than ever, the transatlantic bond is a guarantee of our freedom.

We in Europe have a relationship with the United States which has stood the test of time. Thanks in large part to American bravery, generosity and far-sightedness, Europe was set free from the two forms of tyranny that devastated our continent in the 20th century: Nazism and Communism. Thanks, too, to the continued cooperation between Europe and the United States we have managed to guarantee peace and freedom on our continent. The transatlantic relationship must not become a casualty of the current Iraqi regime’s persistent attempts to threaten world security.

In today’s world, more than ever before, it is vital that we preserve that unity and cohesion. We know that success in the day-to-day battle against terrorism and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction demands unwavering determination and firm international cohesion on the part of all countries for whom freedom is precious.

The Iraqi regime and its weapons of mass destruction represent a clear threat to world security. This danger has been explicitly recognised by the United Nations. All of us are bound by Security Council Resolution 1441, which was adopted unanimously. We Europeans have since reiterated our backing for Resolution 1441, our wish to pursue the UN route and our support for the Security Council, at the Prague Nato Summit and the Copenhagen European Council.

In doing so, we sent a clear, firm and unequivocal message that we would rid the world of the danger posed by Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction. We must remain united in insisting that his regime is disarmed. The solidarity, cohesion and determination of the international community are our best hope of achieving this peacefully. Our strength lies in unity.

The combination of weapons of mass destruction and terrorism is a threat of incalculable consequences. It is one at which all of us should feel concerned. Resolution 1441 is Saddam Hussein’s last chance to disarm using peaceful means. The opportunity to avoid greater confrontation rests with him. Sadly this week the UN weapons inspectors have confirmed that his long-established pattern of deception, denial and non-compliance with UN Security Council resolutions is continuing.

Europe has no quarrel with the Iraqi people. Indeed, they are the first victims of Iraq’s current brutal regime. Our goal is to safeguard world peace and security by ensuring that this regime gives up its weapons of mass destruction. Our governments have a common responsibility to face this threat. Failure to do so would be nothing less than negligent to our own citizens and to the wider world.

The United Nations Charter charges the Security Council with the task of preserving international peace and security. To do so, the Security Council must maintain its credibility by ensuring full compliance with its resolutions. We cannot allow a dictator to systematically violate those Resolutions. If they are not complied with, the Security Council will lose its credibility and world peace will suffer as a result.

We are confident that the Security Council will face up to its responsibilities.

José María Aznar, Spain
José Manuel Durão Barroso, Portugal
Silvio Berlusconi, Italy
Tony Blair, United Kingdom
Václav Havel, Czech Republic
Peter Medgyessy, Hungary
Leszek Miller, Poland
Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Denmark




We now know who our true allies in Europe are don't we. That is just outstanding isn't it? God Bless our European brethren!
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