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Blake
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 12:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,73391,00.html
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Fasteddieb
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 12:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Maybe it's me...

I searched the article three times for any Buell content.

Maybe I'm the one that's slow...
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S320002
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 12:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The slow ones are the those that think HE is. Sometimes that makes the job easier.

Greg
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Featheredfiend
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 12:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"The critics don't really want a perfect missile defense system -- one fully researched and tested. They want no missile defense system."

Indeed. I'm not slow. I ride a Duck.

Feathered
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Nevco1
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 04:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Gee, wasn't the Patriot missile the weapon of choice for downing incoming SCUD's during Desert Storm? Granted they were not 100% effective, but they sure did minimize the havoc.

Just imagine the same thing only on a grander scale. Sounds like a good starting point and like all manufactured items, they will only get better with time...But you have to start somewhere.

Would think that the only opposition to a defense system like this would be Hanoi Jane and Bad Boy Sean Penn. Still have not figured out how he got selected to go to Iraq? Good Grief, between his personal problems and having been married to Madonna (Probably the most anti-muslim type woman ever) I would thing he would be the main course at a BBQ.
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Joey
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 07:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It seems his verbal slip-ups only occur when he is talking about something that doesn't involve US aggression. When he is talking about doing something that is for war efforts or such, it seems he speaks quite clearly. When he talks about things that don't involve death and destruction, then he makes those verbal errors. I'm suspecting some sort of psychological term might apply here.
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Kevyn
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What's really interesting is that the missile defense system comes to light, coincidentally, around the same time N.Korea's nuclear weapons and missile development programs gain attention...


...and in another world, my buddy is getting his new '03 Sportster Custom Friday and the weather promises to be clear with mild temps. And oh by the way, he's a decorated Army Field Medic, Paramedic, Flight Evaluator and carpenter who spent too long in Afghanistan and decided that the Sporty was something he wanted before his time expired on the big meter.
so what do ya think?
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


Quote:

And oh by the way, he's a decorated Army Field Medic, Paramedic, Flight Evaluator and carpenter who spent too long in Afghanistan and decided that the Sporty was something he wanted before his time expired on the big meter.
so what do ya think?


Hmmmm, Where else but the military and in New Orleans during Mardi Gras is it cool for a guy to be "decorated"? ;)

And what exactly does it mean to be so? And what is the duty of a "Flight Evaluator"? Hey, you asked what I thought. ;)
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Kevyn
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I honestly don't know. When I asked the question, he said I wouldn't understand anyway and if he told me he'd hafta kill me...

Funny you should mention New Orleans...and decorations...I thought the Brits invented it all.

And just for you Blake,

a naked Monster for your dreams
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Josh
Posted on Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Kevyn,
I think he should have bought *your* sportster!
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Mikej
Posted on Friday, December 20, 2002 - 08:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"When he is talking about doing something that is for war efforts or such, it seems he speaks quite clearly. When he talks about things that don't involve death and destruction, then he makes those verbal errors. "

Hmmm, it's almost as if when he's talking about things with less significance or with less potential devestating concerns he tends to slip up because his mind in on issues or greater human significance. When he talks about the more significant issues he doesn't slip up because that's what his mind is on. Let me ask, what is of greater significance, the price of McDonalds stock or the value of a human life? This does not mean he is a war monger, it simply implies to me that he knows what issues have greater significance and which issues command greater attention and consideration on.
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Joey
Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 11:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

MikeJ: What does this mean? "There's only one person who is responsible for making that decision to go to war, and that's me. And there's only one person who hugs the mothers and the widows, the wives and the kids on the death of their loved ones. Others hug, but having committed the troops, I've got an additional responsibility to hug, and that's me, and I know what it's like."--GWB
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Blackbuellm2
Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When the animals gathered, the lion looked at the eagle and said gravely, “we must abolish talons.” The tiger looked at the elephant and said, “we must abolish tusks.” The elephant looked back at the tiger and said “we must abolish jaws and claws.” Thus each animal in turn proposed the abolition of the weapons he did not have, until the bear rose up and said in the tones of sweet reasonableness: “comrades, let us abolish everything - everything but the great universal embrace.”

Attributed to Winston Churchill

If Erik had forever sat tinkering in his garage would we ever have had the first Buell? No, his first effort, nor even his 200th effort were not perfect. But they were better then what we could of had if Erik were sitting about doing nothing. GWB didn't get to where he is by doing nothing, nor is he a man that is going to sit about while the world turns about us. Better to prepare for tommorow doing the best one can today then wait for the promise of future perfection. As the man in the yellow hat said, "go George go"
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Joey
Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Check out http://www.dubyaspeak.com and read down the center column until you find GO HERE. Go there.
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

From Joey's link:
"If what Miller says is true — and it would take more than just observations to prove it — "

That, in a nutshell, is the bottom line of Miller. A whole lot of assumptions and interpretations on the background and underlaying meanings behind Bush's mis-statements. If you read what Miller writes with an objective eye you will see clearly Miller's objectives, to undermine Bush's credibility and to imply wrongfull intentions of his goals.

To quote from the link further:
"An example, Miller says, surfaced early in his presidential tenure.

"I know how hard it is to put food on your family," Bush was quoted as saying.

"That wasn't because he's so stupid that he doesn't know how to say, `Put food on your family's table' — it's because he doesn't care about people who can't put food on the table," Miller says.

So, when Bush is envisioning "a foreign-handed foreign policy," or observes on some point that "it's not the way that America is all about," Miller contends it's because he can't keep his focus on things that mean nothing to him. "


If you read through the Miller article, you have to keep in mind the phrase "Miller contends". This does not mean that Miller is right, nor does it mean that Miller is wrong. It simply means that Miller has an opinion and an agenda and has found an audience for his comments. It would be interesting to read what Miller wrote about before Bush came along.

When Miller offers a scene from the Happy Days T-V show where Fonzie can't apologize as an illumination of the reasons for one of Bush's mis-quotes, then Miller is perhaps at best showing the weakness of his/Miller's own interpretations to have to rely on a fictional character portrayed by an actor to support his theses about Bush's statements.

One statement in the article is valid:
"Miller, without question, is a man with a mission — and laughter isn't it. "

That statement I will agree with. You are free to form your own opinions.
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Nevco1
Posted on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Gee...Miller sounds like an undocumented version of Rush. Facts...get to know the facts before you subject yourself to political dribble.
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Joey
Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Good point. I'd think it was all just silliness, if it didn't seem like his administration was taking George Orwell's "1984" as a handbook instead of the warning that it was intended to be. Bush is damn smart, if you ask me, but so was Clinton. I'm beginning to wonder if they weren't together in all this... I'm glad I didn't choose Muslim for my religion.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/nm/20021219/ts_nm/attack_immigration_dc_3
http://www.polizeros.com/2002/12/26.html
http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=11503&c=206
http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=363109
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