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     José_Quiñones |
HD/Buell Shipment Data 1997-2001 ___________________________________________________ From the Latest SEC Filing, dated 11/12/02
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| Racerboy |
Well, after looking at the numbers it once again proves what happens when you look at a few trees instead of the whole forest...Apparently our local "dealers" are just poor representatives of Buell dealers on a whole who must be selling scooters...Never could understand how Bill got elected prez either... But now I'm more depressed than ever that they will not build a sport touring model in the near future if they're having that success with the XB's and Blast's... José...Thanks for digging out the numbers... See Ya! Bob | ||
| Mikej |
"Never could understand how Bill got elected prez either..." Twice no less (should have been less without the perot help). "But now I'm more depressed than ever that they will not build a sport touring model in the near future if they're having that success with the XB's and Blast's..." Never discount the future nor the surprises it may hold. What will be will be when it will be if it is to be, wait and see.  | ||
| Elvis |
Thanks José! I hadn't seen that statement, but it certainly validates my projection. Since production was greatly limited in the first two quarters, I'm expecting big things for 2003. Consider: 1. Very good press 2. Unique, innovative, focused design 3. Hunger, both domestically and abroad, for an American sportbike 4. Relatively low price 5. Profound lack of quality issues so far 6. Anticipated introduction of a sport-tourer which will should be in showrooms shortly after the dealer show 7. Improved production capacity 8. Solid marketing effort 9. Improving economy And I see the following for 2003: 1. 15000 total units 2. By far, more twin cylinder aluminum bikes sold than Buell ever sold twin cylinder steel frames 3. Buell will make the leap from small volume producer to world class motorcycle manufacturer I'm probably going a bit overboard, but until I get some cold water thrown on me in the form of real numbers, I don't see any quantifiable reason for the pessimism that seems to pervade these boards at times. | ||
| José_Quiñones |
Wait till the registration data is in....... in the meantime here are the most current projections that I have:  | ||
| Court |
>>>>>I'm probably going a bit overboard You are not. Heed not the curmudgeons as they await their Fishers and Laverda. The things WE have insisted Buell do, are being done. Great things are not only coming, but are HERE. Be happy where you are, not where someone else insists on telling you that you should be. Court (Still humored by the rediculous title to this thread) | ||
| Mikej |
The things WE have insisted Buell do, are being done. " You mean I'll get my 55" wheelbase????? I'm also thinkin' with a few tweaks, a comma or two, and an extra word here and there, there may be more truth to the title of this thread than some realize. Don't know though, but sometimes my imagination gets the better of me.  Well, Buell missed the pleasure boat ride and stayed home over the holidays to put the finishing touches on something behind the scenes, looks like we may have an American Superbike for 2004!!! (if not sooner). (Next August at the lakefront should be very interesting indeed.) | ||
| Elvis |
José, Since that projection doesn't show any details of where it is getting it's information, we have to speculate. HD's information indicates 6436 large displacement bikes shipped in 2001 and 3489 Blasts. Since that blurb shows 6635 Buells in 2001, the only logical assumption is they are only considering large displacement bikes. Since the information I have from Harley is by Quarter (and since the blurb indicates the numbers are through August with no date) I can't duplicate the numbers from the blurb, but I can project based on HD numbers from the first and second quarter. HD indicates 2435 large displacement bikes for the first and second quarters of 2002. Projecting that number out would give (2435 X 2 = 4870). While that number doesn't match the blurb prediction (probably because the blurb also adds in July and part of August) it is similarly flawed since they were re-tooling in the first two quarters. HD figures indicate 4368 units were shipped by the third quarter, coming close to what a simple minded person would have projected for the entire year. Yesterday I calculated that Buell has historically shipped 23.6% more in the fourth quarter than third quarter. Applying this better estimate to project for the year (and I think we should absolutely expect an increase since the XB9S is now in full swing and production capability should be increasing), I calculate 6757 large displacement bikes. A small increase over last year, but very impressive considering the down time at the beginning of the year. | ||
| Steve_A |
Keep in mind that the registration/sales data that Jose is showing is for the US; Buell exports a large percentage (30+ percent?) of its production. The Harley annual report projections include export numbers. | ||
| Nevco1 |
This may not have international impact, but I would prefer the stats based on registrations, not SEC filings. With all that has happened on Wall Street the last few years, who really trusts these supposedly "audited" numbers. LOL | ||
| Buelliedan |
I agree with Court, The Laverda and Fischer are just dreams right now. Kinda like that Naked Turbo Hyabusa creature or the Honda Firebolt copy. You can actually buy a Firebolt today. Who knows when or if you can ever buy those other bikes. I lived in MO. and I am a realist. If I can't touch it it doesn't exist!! Yea, I'm agnostic as well.  | ||
| Eeeeek |
Sure, you can buy a lil' bolt today. You can also buy a Mille, a 954, etc. There's nothing wrong with getting excited about this project. For years I bitched and whined that Buell wasn't building a bike for me, so I finally bought a Honda. Now, someone is at least talking about what I wanted to begin with: a kick ass superbike that's made in America. Shoot, they've even gone beyond the talking phase and moved up to the real frame and clay model step, which represents a significant accomplishment. Buell doesn't seem to have one in the works, so why not cheer the guys who do? Before the Firebolt existed, hell before the Blast existed, everyone was all abuzz about those bikes... Vik | ||
| Buelliedan |
So Vik, Should Buell make up a story about how they are going to build a "superbike" then keep stringing us along until one day when they say it ain't gonna happen? | ||
| Elvis |
"Keep in mind that the registration/sales data that Jose is showing is for the US; Buell exports a large percentage (30+ percent?) of its production. The Harley annual report projections include export numbers." Thanks Steve, that's probably why the numbers don't match up (rather than excluding Blasts). Still, the logic holds that the published comparison is based primarily on two, low production quarters for Buell. As for actual registration numbers, I agree with the people who would like to see those numbers. Does anyone know if anyone actually publishes those numbers in an easy to interpret format? | ||
| Eeeeek |
No. Where the hell did you get that idea? Vik | ||
| Rick_A |
I think a lot of us are happy with Buell as they are and the direction they've been heading. Being one of those people I could care less about an American "Superbike." When it comes to that kinda bike I'll probably always be rooting for Ducati. | ||
| José_Quiñones |
Elvis, Steve Sorry for not pointing that out, those projected numbers are in fact just US sales, from Motorcycle Consumer News HD does keep track of HD and Buell Registration data on their website, click HERE to see it | ||
| Newfie_Buell |
Missed the Boat, ha ha ha I could be wrong but I think Buell did not want to be on that boat at this point in their life. My understanding is that a Buell Motorcycle is one kick ass back road bike and to compare it to anything else is just plain wrong. I like my Buell the way it is and I also like the current direction they are headed in(Kick Ass Backroad Bike). | ||
| S320002 |
How long was Honda in business before they started building race bikes? Think about it. Greg | ||
| Mikej |
They started building race bikes sometime after Harley helped to build their factory, unless it was a different manufacturer. Think about that one. | ||
| Mikej |
An article or paper with a little missing historical data but interesting nonetheless. Chronology Another history page. I can't find the link to the co-op agreement that is generally buried and not often acknowledged, but I know it's out there because I read it on the internet. | ||
| Buelliedan |
Vik, I said that because it seemed like you were already stating that the Fischer was a guaranteed to be made bike. If it is made by 04 I will be surprised. I just can't believe folks will bash Buell for missing the boat when the other guys haven't even seen the boat yet. Better to have a dollar in hand today than a promise of being paid $5 tomorrow. At least thats how I feel. | ||
| Grndskpr |
The things WE have insisted Buell do, are being done. Great things are not only coming, but are HERE. I will belive that staement when my paid for fairing stay comes in, AND the dealership actually calls me to tell me its in, its been 6 months, and acording to the dealer Buell cancelled the order, maybe i will drop by at 8 months, maybe sooner, time will tell Roger | ||
| Mikej |
If you still have the receipt take it in and ask for a full refund with interest. Do this on their busiest shopping day if you want to be ornery, and get the store manager involved. Next, call Buell customer service and kindly ask them to look into the matter as to why your paid for order was cancelled by them according to the dealership. Have the receipt and date and part number handy. The silent mouse is never heard, the disruptive one is soon silenced, the smart one gets satisfaction. (Don't believe me? Just ask a certain major manufacturer's employees what sort of results a few properly placed emails generate when one of their crew drops the ball.) | ||
| Racerboy |
Court...I, too, am humored by the title of this thread but I am also vastly entertained by it... And from the point of view of a rider wanting to purchase an American superbike Buell has missed their boat... The same can be said of someone wanting to purchase an American sport tourer today... And John and I still have a "Buell" dealer 10 miles from our homes who will not work on our Buell's... This whole situation reminds me of the MCN survey of Triumph owners that recorded the highest satisfaction level ever (beat the previous BMW high score)...They loved their motorcycles and had an absolute love/hate relationship with the dealers/factory...We are nothing if not passionate about our Buell's...And the really encouraging thing is to listen to the XB owners and how much they love their rides...For this group Buell has really got it right...I envy them... See Ya! Bob | ||
| Nevco1 |
In reading the (revised???) heading for this thread, Buell has not missed any opportunity!!! They can still pull it off with out the aid of smoke'n'mirrors if they choose to!!! | ||
| Crusty |
I don't want an American Superbike. I want a Thunderbolt. An S4-T. I want to ride to Daytona from Boston for Bike Week. I want hard saddlebags to carry my raingear in, or my lunch when I'm commuting. I want to ride through the Green Mountain National Forest on Vt. Rt.100 at highly illegal speeds. My S3-T was the most beautiful motorcycle I ever owned, and it was comfortable on long rides; but every time I took a trip, the odds were I'd be visiting a service department before I returned home. I want a Buell that's as beautiful and as comfortable as the S3-T was, and as reliable as an anvil. The only work I want to do is to change the oil every 2,000 miles. | ||
| Blackmotorcycle |
You guys love your bikes, as you should and I don't want to change your minds or do any type of Buell bashing ect. For bad-ass looks I think Buell is the best by far. I'm just saying I was in the market for a new bike this year, and they had nothing for me. Why? I have 4 bikes down in the garage. They all run except one. One has been constantly broken down for the last year. Fix one thing, ride for a month, down again. Do you know how many times I pushed that thing? Once I gave in and took it to the Dealer. They had it for 35 Days, I rode it home and found that my tank wasn’t bolted on.. So that’s how they missed my boat. . I just want them to get better. One day I will come back if they do. And yea the bolt may be the one and they may be better now but I am skeptical and waiting to see. Mean time I’m gonna keep fixing this old one cause she has really pissed me off this time. | ||
| Racerboy |
Crusty...My sentiments exactly...Well said... See Ya! Bob | ||
| José_Quiñones |
Ditto, When I'm asked about the bike this is what I have been saying lately: I love my Buell, but I don't trust it. |
