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Buellistic
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 06:59 am: | 
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BUELLERs:
Do "i" hold the record for the longest lasting
original drive belt on a BUELL...
97S3T, original owner with 60,806.45 miles as of the last ride...
In buelling
LaFayette |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 08:55 am: |
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OK
I love the S1 BUT did the designer ever think about an easier way to replace the belt.
ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
After creatively blocking and strapping the enging to the floor of the garage. I actually used a piece of 5/8 inch steel plate that measured approx 3 feet by 2 feet, welded two eye hooks on either side then put it under the bike, removed the exhaust system, blocked up beneath the engine with a bike jack on the left side and an automotive scissors jack on the other then took two crating straps and secured all to the steel plate. Damm piece of steel weighed almost 100lbs but kept the bike upright.
All other parts were then removed as per the service manual and advice offered from Buellistic and Spidey.
Voila - the frame is now lifting from the motor and I am waiting on a belt - should be here later today.
Visual inspection of the isolators and they appear to be alright - no wear or tearing. The more I take the bike apart the more I understand its design. Someone correct me if I am wrong but the isolators keep the motor from banging off the frame in a sideways motion.
Oh well its really not as bad as I made it sound but I wish there would have been some kind of removable service plate on the right side of the frame for this kind of work.
New belt will definately be loose. |
Mikej
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 09:22 am: |
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Some tube frames have a removable side plate. When I got my 2000 M2 I was also looking at a slightly older one and that removable side plate was exactly why I was looking at the demo bike instead of the new bike. I wish they would have kept it as it would make the very occaisional road-side repair so much easier.
Post pics of your process if you can. |
Jim_m
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 09:31 am: |
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I believe the 95-96 S2, 96 S1 and 99-02 X1 are the ones that have the removable side plates. |
Mikej
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 09:44 am: |
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It was either the 99 or 98 M2 that also had the sideplate, at least one I was looking at did. Hmmm, could it have been an S1 with a wide tank? I was new to Buells then, but I'm pretty sure it was a pre-2000 M2. |
Jim_m
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 09:47 am: |
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the pre 99 M2 didn't have the crossover pipes.
I could be wrong on the models, but that's how I remember them. |
Road_thing
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 01:01 pm: |
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Almost 65,000 on the Road Sofa's original belt.
r-t |
Rex
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 01:44 pm: |
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I changed mine at 35,000. It was still in good shape. thanks, REX |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 01:50 pm: |
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Newfie_buell:
There was an easier way than the way you did it...
BUT, the main thing is that you improvised and did it...
Now check out AMERICANTHUNDRBIKE.ORG under
Isolators...
In buelling
LaFayette |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 03:18 pm: |
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Damm,
Now I got to put everything back together and take it apart the easier way.
Actually the hardest part of the whole thing was the fact that I did not own a bike lift. I had to improvise on that part but everything else was as per the service manual.
That manual is worth its weight in gold.
Thanks again Buellistic and Tony (aka Spidey) |
Ray_maines
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 09:06 pm: |
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My M2 had 18,000 miles and was going strong on it's original belt. My son replaced his twice in 16,000 miles.
I saw a nice little S1 with a broken belt being pushed by a guy in full lethers, about a block from Downtown HD near Seattle today. The poor guy didn't look happy. He's going to be even less happy when the service guy tells him they could get to it in about two, maybe three weeks and it's going to cost $300. |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 09:19 pm: |
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Ray,
I got to say the Buell Retailers and even the HD Retailers around here (Canada) are great.
My belt broke on Monday Night, I called the Buell Retailer where I bought the bike in another Province and they did not have it in stock. I got the part number from them as well Buellistic in Lafayette gave me a part number and I decided to use my local HD retailer here on the Island.
I ordered the belt on Tuesday Morning and the belt was here in Newfoundland this morning before 10:00am.
The funny thing is every time I have ordered parts I always have had them in 24hrs if I needed them real fast (air freight) or about 5 days ground freight. I find the Retailer Network here in Canada fantastic especially if you have part numbers to provide them with.
The belt cost me $306.00 Canadian and about 5 hrs of my time. I followed the service manual and with some e-mail help from the boys the job is mostly done. I decided to polish the exhaust system seeing its off. |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 09:40 pm: |
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Newfie_buell:
That neat SPORTSTER scrip in HDI ORANGE looks good on the BLACK belt...
In buelling
LaFayette |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 10:10 am: |
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I know,
The only other HD Script on the bike from what I can find is on the steering lock plate.
Looks good |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 08:09 am: |
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Bike is complete 
I tried the 55t pulley on it and really did not like it so went back to the stock one. There is also not enough adjustment with the 55t pulley as your at the end of the swingarm adjustment.
The Stock pulley is more fun!!!!!!!
Thanks again for all the advice.
Bill |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 02:07 pm: |
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So with the 55t rear sprocket you were unable to adequately set the belt tension?
LOL! LaFayette, you are one loyal Harley fan. Got a tattoo?  |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 04:09 pm: |
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With the stock S1 front sprocket (I can't remember how many teeth it is) and the 55t rear sprocket I could not get adequate belt tension. It was far too loose, I rode it for about 10km to see how everything was and did not like it. The accleeration was different.
The belt that my bike came with was 128t belt. If you want to use the stock front sprocket and the 55t rear you would have to get the 125t belt.
This was a great learning experience and I have gained an appreciation for the engineering of the bike. Especially the Rear Isolators - Who'd ever thought they would work so good. |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 08:59 pm: |
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Blake $ Newfibuell:
If you run a 30T you get a "GEAR RATIO" within
TENTHs of the 27/55... Remember the "KISS" $ "KICS" PROGRAMS... You do not have to buy
sprockets & belt... ie: 30/61...
In buelling
LaFayette |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 11:33 pm: |
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Good advice. I'm just surprised that a 55t rear sprocket would run the rear axle to the edge of its adjustable limit. I've got plenty of room, or so I thought, on my '97 Cyclone to swap to a 55t rear while leaving the stock 27t front sprocket. The other problem with the 27/55 combination though is the belt rubbing the swingarm block.
I may try a 29t front sprocket. That would get me from turn 7 to turn 8 without having to upshift into 3rd and then downshift back down to 2nd in the middle of turn 8. |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Saturday, May 24, 2003 - 09:08 pm: |
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I never really took a good look at the busted belt until today and I discovered that it appears to be dry-rotted.
Is this possible?????????
I will explain what I mean then someone can tell me if its dry-rot. A real close inspection revealed at least 6 cracks across the belt in various places on the belt. The cracks were very small 1/8 inch to a couple almost right across the belt and the cracks were to the underlying fibres. The under side (teeth side) of the belt has cracking on it as well - especially between the teeth but not to the fibres.
Anyone have this happen - only wish I still had a macro lens for my camera. If I can get a pic I will post. |
Bigsherm9r
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 03:40 am: |
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I'm on my 3rd (yes, 3rd) belt at 7,000 miles on my XB9R. 3,500 each for the first two (replaced under warranty). That probably averages out to about 500 wheelies per belt, so I can't complain... |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 07:59 am: |
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Is it the wheelies that broke it????
I just saw my first blast up close yesterday and noticed the belt is very narrow. Is that normal.
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Buellistic
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 08:15 am: |
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Newfie_buell:
XB's have a wider belt than the BLAST...
In buelling
LaFayette |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 08:59 am: |
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So Sherm exactly why are you breaking the belts?
Is it the wheelies?
Buellistic do you wheelie a lot????
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Buellistic
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 09:31 am: |
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Newfie_buell:
"WHEELIES HAPPEN"
Have replaced left fork seal once $ right fork seal twice...
Front motor mount isolator once $ front motor mount once...
"STOPPIES HAPPEN"
Have "PAVEMENT RASH" on right side on BUELL
to prove a STOPPIE GONE WRONG...
In buelling
LaFayette |
Cjmblast
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 10:02 am: |
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I just saw my first blast up close yesterday and noticed the belt is very narrow. Is that normal.
I surely hope so !!!
CJM 
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Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 12:31 pm: |
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CJ,
I have one of the only Buells on all of Newfoundland. There were only two my S1 and 650km away is a black S3. Yesterday our Safety Council took possession of a 2003 Buell Blast in a real bright Yellow.
Now there are Three |
Spiderman
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 01:33 pm: |
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>>>>>That neat SPORTSTER scrip in HDI ORANGE looks good on the BLACK belt...
No it doesn't. It is a Buell Not a Harley, Just keep repeating that over an over an over.... |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 02:26 pm: |
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Spiderman:
The "BAR $ SHIELD" on my "BUELL SHIRT" says
"Hardley-Harley"...
SEE "BATTLE2WIN" magazine, volume2, issue4, page 17... Hope you can can find someone to post this "PICTURE"...
In the not too distant furture you will have to
use "SPORSTER" parts because BUELL(BMC) will not
be supplying them... "LONG LIVE THE TUBE FRAME
MODELS"
In buelling
LaFayette
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Cjmblast
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 03:48 pm: |
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Newfie - Only 3 in Newfoundland, Kewl !!! I like the look of the new orange Blast's !!
CJM |
Spiderman
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 05:26 pm: |
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part number 40022-91 is a Harley number it is still active thru the H-D dealer network.
100's of dealers in 45 states have them at this current time and that is only the dealers on H-D's Talon system so that leaves out the hundred or so that use Light Speed or another system. SOOOOO If Harley does stop supplying them I am all set. IF they do run out or is never available I will switch to chain  |
Firemanjim
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 08:54 pm: |
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Blake,stock S-2 gearing is 29/61.Works real well.Last year at Aaron's I put the 27/55 combo on my S-2 and we had to make some axle adjuster spacers as the stockers did not have enough room to adjust belt.The shoulder on the bolt portion bottomed out before belt was tight enough. |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 09:00 pm: |
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Thats what happened to mine when I had that combination on it. |
Blake
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2003 - 10:41 pm: |
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I read you. I didn't consider the adjuster bolt running out of threads, just how much room the axle had to move aft. Thanks for the education on that. |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 04:01 pm: |
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MY ORIGINAL BELT THAT CAME ON MY 1997 S3T BROKE TODAY ON THE "OLD GEEZER RIDE"...
THATS 6 YEARS AND 61,512.8 MILES...
DO "i" HOLD TH RECORD FOR THE LONGEST ORIGINAL DRIVE BELT...
In buelling
LaFayette |
Firemanjim
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2003 - 04:13 pm: |
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Nope,mine was alive and well at 70,000+ mark.Just replaced it when I went LSR racing last year.I will have to check actual mileage on bike when I get home and do some subtraction to get mileage approx of when I changed.Close,but no cigar. |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 03:28 pm: |
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Firemanjim:
How many years OLD was the belt???
Yes, "i" know you said you had more miles on the
original belt...
In buelling
LaFayette |
Firemanjim
| | Posted on Friday, June 06, 2003 - 12:00 am: |
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That mileage is on the original belt the bike came with from factory.Built 3/95. |
