| Author | Message | ||
     Anonymous |
Coming from a guy that scored a 31 on his ACT and a 93 on his Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery, shit is spelled S-H-I-T. Lighten up a bit brother, were all friends here.  | ||
| Blake |
I'm not trying to justify anything wrt the Buell record of reliability. The point was to counter the concensus proffered by some that all other bikes/brands are free of any similar issues. They aren't. I mean BrianH is actually still saying that because of a degraded leakdown on his rear cylinder that he had to replace the entire top end of his engine. Huh? Say what? He knows darn well that all he needed have done was have new rings installed and a cylinder rehoned or at worst have the cylinders bored oversize and new pistons/rings installed. Too easy. He chose instead to opt for a high performance upgrade that went WAY bad and subsequently had to be resolved via new heads, cylinders, and pistons/rings. Then I read about some guy coughBrianHcough not participating in the track day at Pocono because his ZX-12R (don't even call it a "ZXR"  ) is not running well; but Buells are all crap and UJM's and Ducs can do no wrong. And this is a guy who accuses me of bias?  | ||
| Blake |
Dino, Strong opinions on motorcycles and other "stuff" are one thing, personal attacks and disrespect of others are another. We should be able to tolerate the former without resorting to the latter. We should be able to separate the *stuff* and its critique from our pride and ego. I hope you see my point; I'm still striving to. | ||
| Rudebike |
Actually, I have heard from many experts (strangers I passed on the sidewalk) that if it ain't one thing it's another. I heard from one guy who forgot to re-fuel his bike that the darn thing actually stopped operating out of the blue...just up and stopped! Well, that'll make you tip your hat and scratch your head. I mean, what gives? Dyna, do you have Buell nightmares? Where you are standing by the side of the road after a breakdown on the X1 and then you suddenly realize you're in your underwear? Feverish dreams...crazy dreams...dreams that haunt a man and make him whisper...."mommy"..... Jon (just kiddin bombastic one) | ||
| Rudebike |
I think that it is entirely irrelevant that another bike is problematic, i.e the Duc, or catlady like, ie. the Duc. You study, study, and study again, only to get the very bike that simply moved you the first time you saw it. Anyone who actually uses logic in buying a motorcycle should be taken off the streets and held for psychiatric evaluation. You buy the bike you want and live with it until it walks out on you or you convince it to stay (by wrenching). I never heard of Buell problems till I logged on to some sites. So far, so good. Go Giants. | ||
| Bomber |
Buells got problems? you bet. Do other's problems make that OK? 'course not. just as an experiment, I went here: http://www.blueovalnews.com/ thought I was at Sacborg for a minute . . . . . | ||
| Grndskpr |
I am still wondering if the issue still lies, not with the problems the bike has, but with the way you or your bike are treated after the problem occurs??What i mean is, if a problem happens, how is it taken care of, especially if its dealer related, i really havnt looked to close at the dealer happy/sad page, but how do the numbers look compared to buell like/hate page, maybe thats more of the problem than the actuall company. | ||
| Grndskpr |
posted by Blake: Only after advising the top Ducati and TPG executives of his intention to file a lawsuit did Duc come clean. Oh, the labor only included the labor of the shop required to refinish the defective rockers. The customer provided all the actual engine-work labor himself free of charge. You forgot the part about getting on the internet and telling everyone how poor there product was, i found that part quite interesting, especially the fact that it work, to some degree | ||
| Justjoe |
Quote from Ken..."if all you can do is complain about the problems, then you are in the wrong, not the bike. deal with it." My quote...."Maybe we should give him a break. He is only 19 after all. You remeber that age don't you? At that age, you still think you know everything. It will still take a few years for him to realize all the things he is truly ignorant about. Since he's in school still, I'll give him at least until he graduates and gets his first real job." Gee Ken, where in that quote did I ever question your loyalty to your Buell. Love your bike? Great. But to make an assisnine comment like "if all you can do is complain about the problems, then you are in the wrong, not the bike. deal with it." shows me both your maturity level and arrogance. I don't care how hard your life has been, nor am I overly impressed that you were in the marines, nor your scores on any test (should I post my SAT scores, how about my GPA at college, would that impress you?). Can't take a little teasing? Shows again how well you will be able to handle yourself in the real world. Check your e-mail tough guy. (Although I'd be careful about what you post in such a public area. Could be construed as a threat.) JustJoe P.S. Blake, I apologize for the personal attack and insult to Ken, but don't you think you're being a little one sided here? | ||
| Grndskpr |
I have to agree with Joe, if the Buell community here dosnt like there bike to be refered to as garbage, then i dont think it fair to allow others to refer to jap bikes as crap, i personally like most bikes, garbage is a matter of perspective, and as far as a VFR being a UJM, i dont think so, a Radian yes, however a ujm, is a universal jap moto, a VFR is an outstanding example of a sport touring bike(more sport than anything really) that has advances that surpass most bikes in general, a UJM it is not, And blake, i dont now, but i think propsing physical harm to someone on the boards should be a no no, have to agree with the one sided comments, threats are uncalled for | ||
| Rudebike |
Anybody that threatens or harrasses anybody else on this or any forum should be banned permanently. It's stupid and shows the inability of the offender to contribute in a meaningful way anyway. Additionally, do not Buell enthusiasts have a right to their own playground? Does it always have to be a debate forum where the "burned" have to always chime in the "un-burned"? Don't think so. | ||
| Grndskpr |
Additionally, do not Buell enthusiasts have a right to their own playground? Does it always have to be a debate forum where the "burned" have to always chime in the "un-burned"? Don't think so. This is true, however this thread is about other bikes, so this may be more appropriate on another part of the board, i mean Blake mentioned the first bike, Aprilla, not a buell, you may be right but i dont think it applies on this particular board JMHO | ||
| Rudebike |
Yeah, right Grndskpr. The inseccant anti-buell that comes up in most threads (like this one) is what I am addressing. The back drop of this thread is Buell, as it relates to the title. Greener as compared to greener than Buell. Cheers. | ||
| Bomber |
Grounder . . .some guy named JMHO has got your logon for this board . . . . . | ||
| Grndskpr |
I was going to say my kawasucky is greener, but due to a mental laps, i realized my Buell is Amazon green, so i am at a loss However after a quick rescan, i think this thread has more anti Ducati than Buell, take that as you may, however i stand i what originally said If you would like i could show you several thread that have no anti buell in them, i would be more than happy to point them out and in case you were not aware of what JMHO is it stands for just my humble opinion, however if you wish to stir that is your right good luck Roger(hows that Bomber) | ||
| Bomber |
OOOOoooohhhhh . . . . . thanks grounder | ||
| Rudebike |
Grnd, Your post about being in the wrong thread is irrelevant and your point is pointless. Would you like to organize my sock drawer for me too? | ||
| Ken01mp |
i would like to take a second, and apologise for all of my lude, overly agressive comments. they degraded the rest of the board, and for that i apologise. i meant no disrespect to anyone, and i acted irrationally. i joined this board to learn, and i have learned much, as i have much to learn. thank you for all of your knowledge and help. i will refrain from making such mistakes and comments of the sort in the future. once again, i was in the wrong, and apologise. Ken | ||
| Grndskpr |
Your post about being in the wrong thread is irrelevant Why have threads then??Maybe to stay on topic, maybe not, have to ask someone else your point is pointless. And you have made such sence, i really dont understand this at all, please explain it better, i really am not that smart, but even bomber knew that Would you like to organize my sock drawer for me too? My guess is i would do it wrong, so why try, you might get even madder, but in reality i doubt you do this at all, oh and before i forget, nice name, but you forgot the R later Roger | ||
| Rudebike |
Roger, Gasp!!! Forgot the "R"!!! How DARE you!!!! Gasp!!! | ||
| Rudebike |
Ken01mp, I am relatively new to this board as a participant. Your apologetic post is good form, my man. I haven't see any of the stuff you are apologizing for, but we're all human (some more so than others). As far as I'm concerned, your executive washroom priveledges are hereby restored. | ||
| Blake |
Ditto.  Grndskpr, I think he was being funny, not serious, even self deprecating. | ||
| Blake |
As to bashing... Aside form Ken's comment, I haven't seen anyone bashing other brands. Just listing some problems with other bikes that are similar to those we encounter with our Buells. It's funny how some people perceive reality. | ||
| Dynarider |
Rude, you shoulda stuck with Jon. Its a lot easier to know who's who with all this website cross pollinization going on | ||
| Grndskpr |
You know whaT rude(jon) whos bashing buell here?? and blake who mentioned bashing i must have missed some thing along the way,i am sure you will show me the reality, by the way rude to find out about past post look at the top of the page, clik on the archive thing, it will bring up the previous post, give you that one sice your new Some times i think you guys just look for a fight, oh well | ||
| Ferris |
JustJoe: wow. FB | ||
| Justjoe |
JustJoe: wow. FB Not sure what that was for, Ferris. If it's any consolation, Ken and I took it offline and I believe we have resolved things. Both of us said some things that were kind of stupid and in the heat of the moment, but I believe we're ok now. Time for me to go home. My connection sucks at home, so I'll see you tomorrow, when I get back to "work". JustJoe | ||
| Ferris |
...Ken and I took it offline and...I believe we're ok now. glad to hear, and glad cooler heads have prevailed. "wow" was about the most restrained commentary i could offer in response to the anger towards Ken in your post. i agree he has spoken with passion, but i still believe several of the responses in this thread have been disproportionately vehement. my helmet's off to you guys for working this out. FB | ||
| Ferris |
...and as far as a VFR being a UJM, i dont think so. agreed, poor choice of words on my part. i mention my VFR on this thread not to imply that it's "better" than a Buell, altho it is certainly different. and one of the main differences is in terms of build-quality. the Japanese have set the bar pretty high in this regard (with the occasional exception, of course), and the new Firebolt and Lightning give me every indication that Buell has made TREMENDOUS progress in this area -- enough so that i'm now willing to off the VFR for a new Buell. and hope that my grass REMAINS green. FB | ||
| Dynarider |
"Just listing some problems with other bikes that are similar to those we encounter with our Buells." I wish the list of Buell issues was that small  |
