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José_Quiñones
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Ok, I'll load it up again here:
New X1????
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Thunderbolt
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Is it me, or is that airbox huge? I do a lot of drugs, so take that into consideration...but I'm thinking that all that extra room is for the........TURBOCHARGER!
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 01:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I'm confused about the debate on this new incarnation of the XB series Buell. Buell announced that it would be releasing in July a replacement for the X1. I agree that it should be cheaper without the fairing, but the list price of the '02 M2 is currently closer to $9K than $8K.
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Archer
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 02:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I HAVE THE DEALER SHOW BOOK IN FRONT OF ME!!! WHAT DO YOU WANT TO KNOW???????
I LOVE MY JOB!!
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 02:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Ross,
Headlight view.
Also, is the flyscreen, mounting hardware, and gauge assembly listed as pictured for the XB9R? Or is there text in the application/fitment charts to cause one to speculate further. Keep your job, but answer what you can.
Thanks.
MikeJ(sometimes it's in how one phrases the question)
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Elvis
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 02:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Blake,

When I pulled the 8K number out of my butt, I was looking more at where I thought they would target for market competitiveness and rounding out their product line than how that number would compare to previous Buells (one thing to think about is the difference between an X1 and M2 rather than actual prices). As they make more bikes, they should be able to bring price down.

Even though the XBR is different from anything else they have produced, and therefore difficult to compare, I think we would agree that buyers are getting more for their money than they have in the past.

I may have missed the statement about the X1 replacement. I thought the company had been very tight lipped to the point of not even saying anything new was coming out. Do you still have that quote?

Elvis
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Archer
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I can't read the damn lettering on the clamp! this sucks. getting a magnifying glass to see if it says Firebolt. It doesn't look like it. looks as if it has a large X on the left and then some small lettering. more in a minute.
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Archer
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
One interesting thing is that they are very specific in this catalog on whether parts are for "xb models" or specifically for "xb9r". That right there along with the pic of the the X1 esque bike is enough to make me wonder. Everything that is for the tail section or fairing stuff is all Xb9r specific like pillions or bags, etc. so I'm thinking different tail section as well. No shots of the front just that one pic. I wish i could read the handle bar clamp. That would clear up alot.The rider and passenger foot pegs are listd as "XB" maybe different tail section with ALOT more storage space. It's feasable. The clamp i can tell has a large X on the left hand side and then five characters after that. We'll see!
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Archer,

Anything interesting in the Sportster and VRod sections?
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Superbad
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
This is the Firebolt picture of the Airbox trim from Buell's accessories page. So I don't think the photo is a pre-production bike.
Bobby
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Cafébill
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Please Buell, skip the black and paint it Reactor Orange. While you're at it, finish the frame and wheels in Nuclear Blue, put a single seat on a short tail section on it... oh and above all stick a carbon fiber rear subfender with the license plate on the tail of it AND I'LL BUY ONE!

The XBS1. What could be more "Buell"?
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Why would Buell call it the XB9R if there wasn't going to be an XB(something else)R or not an R at all. If it was all the same engine, they would just call them X1, M2, S3, S2, S1 like they have in the past with the 1203 HD lump. The very fact that the engine displacement is mentioned in the name gives it away for me.
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Eeeeek
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Don't listen to Bill; he knowns not what he speaks. Black is the only appropriate color for a motorcycle.

Hoot:

I'm sure someone spent a lot of money on Focus groups to come up with the name.

Vik
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Archer
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 05:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
What about this.....make a touring version with a bigger bore and then sell the kit as an upgrade for the "9R". or make the naked bike with a bigger bore like the X1 used to be. Oh yeah, twenty bucks says that the black and silver scheme is following along with Harley's anniversary bikes. All of them are black and silver! HEY SUPERBAD!! REPOST THAT PIC i want to see what you are talking about.

Thanks
Ross
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Archer
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Hey Super bad, if this is the pic you are referring to. It has been up on the site along time. The pic in the 2003 dealer show stuff is brand new. Why didn't they just use the current photo if this is not a new bike??http://www.buell.com/products/productslist.asp?Menu_ID=4&ID=1328&MITEM=1699

I think this is a new bike. Going out on a limb but all the evidence seems to support it.
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Archer
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 06:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
bigger bore for the "X1" replacement and call it the XB1N "N" for naked lol
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Superbad
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 07:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Thanks Archer! Yes I screwed up the link. I agree with you
Bobby
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Cafébill
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 07:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
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Don't listen to Bill; he knowns not what he speaks. Black is the only appropriate color for a motorcycle.

Careful Eeeeek. I'll be forced to explain my "light colored motorcycles are faster" theory...
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Raymaines
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Is Cafe Bill a Bad Ass at heart? Sounds like it to me.
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Archer
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
One other thing i was thinking about. If it's not a production ready bike why bother making a name plate for it. (can't see in the posted pics but there is one one the bar clamp.) Of course this is all speculation, but it seems right.

Ross
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Cafébill
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 08:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Oh my heavens! Why I was only extolling the virtues of a brightly colored Buell as a safety measure! Of course I’d appreciate seeing the comfortable, upright seating position of the S1 applied to an XB frame. And goodness, doesn't everyone know that light colored motorcycles are faster than dark ones? Didn't you learn this in physics class?

Me? A bad ass?! Oh goodness gracious! Please, pardon me while I go put some doilies down in the garage; I’m afraid that terrible, nasty Sportster is dripping again...
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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I like my bike the color of my heart - black - Blasting on the dark side!EZ
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Dynarider
Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 12:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
According to the Buell rep I talked with today, that is the new bike. Its not a pic of parts for the lil bolt but a new model, wouldnt divulge any more info tho.
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Elvis
Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 02:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Now that the evidence is mounting that this is the new bike, what do you think? Is this what you were hoping for? There's still much that is unknown (such as displacement, I'm betting the displacement is the same as the XB9R, wheelbase etc.), but will a more traditionally styled bike appeal to you and other riders?

When I first saw the Firebolt, I thought it was ugly as hell, but it has really grown on me. Now, when I compare it to a less aggressively styled bike, I think I might prefer the Firebolt, but I have a feeling I may be in the minority on this board.
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Sarodude
Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 03:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Personally, I don't know how I'd feel about the new platform's frame and more traditional Buell styling. There was some degree of art with the tube framed Buells - and a lot of it may have had to do with the trellis frame. I don't know if you could just take Boticelli's Venus and graft her head onto the Mona Lisa and wind up with something nice. It's just something we gotta see IN PERSON and evaluate.

The XB was FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGLY when I first saw photos. It started to slowly grow on me 'till I saw it for real and rode it at Long Beach late in '01. There are elements of the bike that just don't come across in flat media. I'm hoping the other Buell models will have similar strikingness in person.

I just don't know what to expect - other than something cool...

-Saro this post doesn't even make sense to me so leave me alone!
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Cafébill
Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 04:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
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Now that the evidence is mounting that this is the new bike, what do you think? Is this what you were hoping for?

Well, it's certainly what I've been hoping for. To me the S1 was the most "Buell" Buell ever built. It dripped character and personality, something the Firebolt is (only slightly) lacking in.

I'm serious; I'm REALLY hoping that this new bike is the second coming of the S1. It's just GOTTA have that short tail section and gigantic wonky carbon rear fender...

(Ok, I'm drooling again. Anyone got a napkin?)
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Dynarider
Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I have a qwik question? Did or does Ducati produce any of their bikes in Buell colors??

Saw a monster today, not sure what cc it was, yellow tank & nuclear blue frame & wheels. Looked like a complete ripoff of an M2.
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Elvis
Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I'm not 100% sure, but I think a Blue frame and wheels almost has to be a custom job. Probably inspired by Buell. Anyone else know for sure?
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Eeeeek
Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 09:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Ducati has run Blue frames and wheels long before Buell did. Not on on monster, to the best of my knowledge, though.

Vik
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Imonabuss
Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Not a yellow bike with blue wheels before Buell, Vik. Nor an orange bike with blue wheels. Nor many other cool combinations. Monsters were available in any color as long as it was red before Buell came along.
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Dynarider
Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
This was the first one I had seen in that combo. It had to be one of the employee's bikes, had regular plates on it. Was kicking myself in the ass for not having my camera with me.

I'm thinking it was a custom, the colors were dead on for a Buell.
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Raymaines
Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 12:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Saro, Dude, Have you been cheekin’ you meds again?

“I don't know if you could just take Boticelli's Venus and graft her head onto the Mona Lisa and wind up with something nice.”

Or something like that……….. I mean, Mona Lisa is just a big head. You could put her face on some naked chick standing on a clam shell. But, hay………

Café Bill: Honest question here. Could the “the second coming of the S1” possibly have a sub 1,000 cc motor? Personally, I don’t think so but I haven’t asked my wife and she’s the one that always tells me what I really think.
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Pilot
Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 06:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I saw a Ducati m600 dark with a yellow frame and wheels.
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 07:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
From the July 2002 Ironworks

Quote:

Word filtering out of Milwaukee these days has HD introducing an all-new Sportster as part of it's 100th anniversary celebration. Sources close to the HDMC tell us that the new XL that could bow at the dealer show this summer - or as a mid-'03 model - will have an engine based upon the Buell Firebolt's XB9R powerplant. According to our sources, the Sportster engine should have a displacement of 1200cc, keeping in tune with the current Evo-based model



Archer, any accessories in the new Dealer book that would hint at this??
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 07:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Ben Bostrom likes the Nuclear Blue Frame/Wheels...

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Archer
Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 09:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Hey Jose let me see what i can dig up. The Harley book and the Buell book are seperate. That's an interesting article. More later.........

Ross
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2002 - 09:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Make sure you look through the VROD section too....
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Cafébill
Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 02:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Quote:

Could the “the second coming of the S1” possibly have a sub 1,000 cc motor?

Why not? Philosophically, the original broke all the rules of a streetbike; it didn't follow any formula. So while I would like a second coming of the S1, I'm primarily looking for the personality it exuded. The look which was so completely different than anything else out there. Notice I keep mentioning the rear fender which I loved... what an incredible example of "thinking outside the box"

That it might have a smaller displacement engine makes no difference to me as long as it provides the same character and enough torque and horsepower to be entertaining...
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Archer
Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 02:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Nothing that raises any eyebrows. I don't know if that article has any merit in terms of this next year model. I wouldn't doubt it though.
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