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Snail
Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Funny how when the mags. rag on the Buell its considered inconsequential, and when they praise Buell its the gospel.

And its a Britt. mag, what do Britts. know? I mean, consider Rocket.

Just teasing, glad to see Buell get some good press.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 01:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just that silly Motorcyclist rag was the only one I ever saw any bad press in for the Buell XB's. Until the executive editor got a chance to ride one around a track. Changed his tune in a hurry and praised it then.

Bring that BUSA or GSXR down to OHR. Straight lining that bike is okay, but the edges of the tires is where all the real fun is at. : )
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 01:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Steve,

I'm there. I'll bring the '97 Cyclone too.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 01:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sorry. I meant "Loretta." : ]
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M1combat
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 01:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When the rags rag on Buells I can typically find something that they did or at least probably did that contributed to what they were talking about. Generally because I've done it before with my bike and have fixed it. I learned...

I can generally find the same sort of thing when they rag on another bike. I just don't come here to talk about it : ).
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Snail
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 01:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Blake, bring that old lump up here in Sept., I'll show you some roads that will change your life.

Chop and I are sort of prelimg planning something, we don't know what yet, but it will sure be fun.

You need to get out more, tracks are for people who don't have roads.

I'll ask Michelle if Blake can come out and play.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 01:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Valentino don't ride on the road much. I'm okay with that. : )
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Court
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 05:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Congratulations to all the folks at Buell. . . . that has got to make you very proud!

Best!

I love it.

Court
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Jersey_thunder
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 09:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Buell XB12R Firebolt is the Best Cornering Bike Ever. Bike magazine's panel of expert judges rated it higher than every other road bike made in the last 100 years
UM..KIND OF SAYS IT ALL
..

JT}
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Daves
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Pretty much
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Choptop
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

DaveS...

hunt good, backstrap BBQ better.

what yer number? agalbraith - AT - otan.us

let get it set up.
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Daves
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

1-866-757-1651
ask for Dave in the sales dept

or later today or tomorrow
319-504-9294 (cell)
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Firemanjim
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"P.S. neither Vik nor I said the Buell didnt handle well, we said there better platforms for a race/track bike that are more practical, get you more bang for the buck, and do handle better. Thats from our perspective as racers and having ridden well set up race bikes of many types."
I have to say I am a bit offended by the bashing of Choptop for having an opinion that disagrees with you,Anonymous--whoever you are.He has always been honest and aboveboard with his postings and has not stooped to alot of the Buell bashing and name-calling that go on so regularly around here.Frankly it was poorly done.No one bike is best for everyone and just because we disagree is no reason for snide personal remarks.I expect better here.
IMHO.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So can you get the magazine in the states? Borders? Barnes and Noble?
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Tommy_2stroke
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 03:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wow. After all these years, it looks like things are really beginning to click for Buell. New bikes, great bikes, and new-found appreciation in the critical moto-press. Well its about time, wouldn't you all agree?

(This statement comes from a guy who only discovered Buell recently, and has been an XB12 owner for exactly 12 months. But like many recent converts, I am now a completely unhinged Buell Evangelist. Pass the kool-aid, my Buell brothers and sisters!)
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Rocketman
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 04:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Who am I to disagree with Bike magazine? No don't answer that. We need to do exactly what Bike magazine says to do though. We need to "read the full story inside Bike - Britain's biggest selling bike magazine", because I haven't got a clue what BEST CORNERING BIKE means. Well ok maybe I have but you guys are instantly assuming it means fastest bike around a corner.........or is that through a corner.....or part of the corner.......or just the apex of a corner............or more stable through a corner.........holds a line perfect through a corner....................doesn't under or over steer through a corner...................until we know exactly what the test incorporates let's not hang Chop just yet. After all what would be the point in comparing a 2005 XB Buell against any motorcycle built in for example 1905? Maybe that's a clue as to the Bike magazine test meaning something otherwise. I'm going out a little later so i'll trawl the shelf of a local supermarket or two and get a copy.


LET US READ FIRST

Rocket
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Imonabuss
Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 05:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Aaaah, so little celebration, so much distress. What a shame. For me it's just nice to see something different on the cover of a magazine besides a GSXR or a West Coast chopper.
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 12:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

FMJ,

As I see it this topic is about congratulating Erik Buell and all the folks who work at Buell for what they have accomplished. I personally think it is unfortunate that there inevitably must always be a naysayer who shows up to rain on the parade. Sometimes it's just about being happy for the folks who win the award.

The way I see it, anony is simply giving back as good as he/she gets.
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Jon
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 01:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm really happy for Buell and Erik these days. Buell is waging a home run derby right now.

I agree with Blake. I don't see the point of naysaying either. What's to argue? To constantly chime in with a challenge for seemingly anything good about Buell is just unnecessary. I don't think Anonymous was "bashing" Chop. Chop was recieving a challenge to his opinion, as he himself was challenging the opinion of BIKE. No harm done.

What I do find offensive is that I haven't been given a new Ulysses for free. THAT is very disconcerting...and quite frankly, more than a little troubling.

Drink, brothers...Drink to the Full!!

RIGHT ON, ERIK!
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Jim_sb
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 01:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Congrats to Buell, the positive recognition the Company's products are now receiving is well deserved.

Dang, I like the idea of the new XB12X so much I'm thinking about trading in my S2....



Jim in Santa Barbara
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Rocketman
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 06:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Some of you guys need to look at the bigger picture over the last 7 8 or 9 years where the British motorcycle press are concerned.

Buells have received amazing coverage. It wouldn't be right to say they've been criticized either because Buells are no more criticized than any other make of motorcycle if and where due.

It's not often one sees for example the likes of MCN featuring 'custom' built bikes across the centre spread or across two pages of their weekly rag. Just Harleys first big bore S1 with a chrome plated frame made just such an impact back in 1997. Sandy who use to post here bought that S1 and she to this day has that centre spread framed and on her lounge wall. It use to hang in Dale Robinson's office as he was the brains behind the project when he was head honcho at JH's. Oh yeah Sandy still has the S1 too. More recently MCN featured a double page spread of an Aerocharged S1W built by an Austrian shop. They actually headlined the article something like "The World Most Powerful V Twin".

Other British mags have featured Buell heavily. Back Street Hero's broke a 20 odd year tradition by road testing an S1W. The first ever production bike to be featured by BSH. High praise from a magazine dedicated to custom built steeds. HOGS magazine some years ago published a three month running feature on the S1WL.

Even further back I have British magazines that have features on the RR1000 and Westwinds. Some years ago the S1W made it onto the BBC Top Gear program and they've only ever tested a mere handful of bikes in more than 20 years.

Believe me the British love 'cottage industries' and we are suckers for something out of the ordinary. Buells will always have their place in a British motorcycling magazine. Buells were seeded here.

Rocket
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bully!
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Rocketman
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well let's put it another way Blake. Erik was over here just three weeks ago and in the company of MCN yet he didn't bother to bring an Uly with him?? Not bad considering Europe is a target market allegedly. Me thinks the Uly is heavily targeted towards the US market and that's where it's gonna sell massively. Perhaps a good reason for keeping a low profile British press release?

Rocket
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Court
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>Me thinks the Uly is heavily targeted towards the US market

Huh?

Don't make me have to slap you and wake you up.

: )
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Choptop
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So now I'm a neigh sayer.. nice.

first off,

who here as even ridden a supersport of superbike style bike at any sort of pace other than commuting, or the average canyon tour? Lets say, at a trackday pace?

anyone?
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Choptop
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

FMJ, dont worry, I put LESS than zero credibility to any words typed by someone who doesnt reveal their identity.

Nor do I mind my credentials being questioned. Mine are there for everyone to see. Someone who posts as Annon. must have something to hide.

But I find it funny that no one, other than DaveS, has shown at least more than a passing interest in actually riding the machines to find out what they are all about.

Make up yer own mind.


As far as Buell getting good press, I'm all over it. AT the heart of it, I'm a fan of Buell. I came within a FCH of making a Firebolt my next race bike, and I love to see the company do well.

But the call of the "Best Ever"... raises a few eyebrows, and at least in my mind, a few questions.

not the least of which being... what does the article actually say... no one here has posted that.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Rocket, you mean the MCN that broke the embargo releasing information on the XB? That is the MCN you expected Erik to wander into with an XB12X three weeks before the release?
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Daves
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 08:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have!
Unless a Mille R doesn't count.
Or Sean's R1 race bike.

And yep, I am waaay faster in the turns on the XB.
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Choptop
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 08:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ah, I knew we would have one.
MilleR counts. Fine handling machine. Doesnt feel spectacular in any particular way until you start to really push it. Its just dead stable, no matter what you do to it, or how fast you go. You go through a corner and think, "hey, icould do that faster." And you do next lap, and then think the same thing. It takes a bunch to upset it.

What year R1? The new ones are a friggin weapon. Fine Handling. Gotta have some control over yer right hand though. Its "Dail-A-Slide". But light, SMALL, and like pushing a warpdrive button once you start towind it up on the exits. Turns in great, little and lithe through the corner.

Thanks Dave.

anyone else?
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Choptop
Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 08:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

anyone try an FZR 400?

NC30?
998?
999?
R6?
GSXR 600?
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