| Author | Message | ||
     Crusty |
In just ten more days, we all will! | ||
| Swampy |
Gosh I'm gonna miss my Sportster....... And about those underneath exhausts..... I remember a '74 CR125 that I used to race that had underslung exhaust. Then a "72 TS125 Suzuki with an underslung exhaust that saw a lot of woods. The Kerker underneath the Blast has seen alot of curb and gutter and has survived very well. I don't think an adventure tourer needs to go the same places a trials bike.(Are we still talking about underslung exhausts?) (Message edited by swampy on July 13, 2005) | ||
| Lake_bueller |
Posted today on Advrider.com: It's called the XB12X Ulysses. It will show up in a magazine (cycle world, I believe) prior to it's introduction at the dealer show. tic tock, tic tock, tic tock... Only 9 more days  | ||
| Naughtynurse |
You guys are bad...I bet you all went under the tree at christmas time and opened your presents and then re wrapped them because you just could not wait?????  At the dinner(Homecomming) they did say 2 new releases!!! | ||
| 99buellx1 |
Chase, You will know just as much as your friend with the camera by watching buell.com on release day. He wont be able to get the pictures to you fast enough. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Interesting concept, the 9sx is a city bike, the 12sx is the adventure tourer. Good idea, a 12sx would be a lot of overlap. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Given all the talk about a Buell duel sport type of new bike I wonder about its practicality. I think it would just be too heavy for any kind of real off road work. I have ridden off road for many years and have come to two conclusions for FUN in the dirt. One-light weight. Two-almost always a four stroke. The latter for reliability and the former for all those times when you get stuck, lay it down, skid on loose gravel, etc. Now I understand a heavy duel sport for those occasional times you get caught and need an alternative route to get somewhere. I would love one for the Alcan highway to Anchorage, but how many of us would do that? Also did you see the guys with the 900 KTM's at Dakar rally struggle when they went down. Still just like the sport utility vehicles that never go off road I think Buell could sell quite a few of this type of bike to those type of individuals. I still like to separate the two types of riding with two separate bikes. Just my 2 cents worth. Bob | ||
| Koz5150 |
Well if it is a cool dual sport (which I think we all think it will be) I will have my 1978 Camaro RS up for sale! | ||
| 1313 |
I would love one for the Alcan highway to Anchorage, but how many of us would do that? I'd love to be the first to ride a Buell Dual Purpose/Dual Sport bike around the world. Unfortunately for me I am inseam-challenged and can't fit on any bike of that ilk. I guess some dreams were just meant to be dreams... 1313 | ||
| Anonymous |
"If the bike is going to be any type of DP/off road bike, it can't have a belt no matter how they seal it. The first time the back wheel left the ground and came back in contact, the belt would snap." --Biff Malibu at advrider.com The latest Goodyear belt has the same tensile strength as a 530 chain. I don't see a lot of chains snapping after landing from a jump. --not that Anon. | ||
| Bomber |
I"m thinkin that anyone that posts as "Biff" is immediately removed from the pool of trusted data sources -- but that's just me | ||
| Shanetbolt |
Dual sport don't have to be light, just look at the BMW Dakar rally bike or what ever it is. | ||
| M1combat |
"The latest Goodyear belt has the same tensile strength as a 530 chain." No offense... believe me, I'm all for the belt... but... What about a belt that has as many rock induced HOLES as that same 530 chain  ? Regarding the guys comment though... Maybe he just doesn't understand traction vs. dirt? I only snapped one belt... that was while landing a jump on pavement... It already had a hole in it anyway and lasted just fine up until that point. I say EXCELLENT work on the belt. Thank you to whichever Anonymous team decided on that . | ||
| Newfie_buell |
Tensile Strenght - Is that the same as puncture strenght!!!! The problem with the belts was that a small rock or pebble punches through and whammmmo the belt snaps. I got two belts hanging up on my wall to prove it. If the new belt is as good as spoken of then I would love to see the testing. If Buell is going to produce an Adventure Tourer then the belt drive is definately going to be the Achilles Tendon of the bike. My idea of an Adventure Tourer is this  | ||
| Outrider |
I would think that the Goodyear belt would work just fine as long as the belt guards were left in place. Just not sure how it would handle a lot of mud combined with sand and gravel sections. My major concern has to do with bash plates if it is a DP bike. However, I am not worried as I know at least one of you will try it before me and I will learn from your successes and failures.  | ||
| Daves |
Uh Newfie, that is a dual sport, it says so on the side! | ||
| CJXB |
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| S1eric |
Hey anonymous, I have been off roading for over 30 years. And let me just say I have seen many off road hazards that would rip that belt to shreds. Tinsile strength isn`t everything. Had barbed wire wrapped up in my rear wheel once. Yep barbed wire whipping around at 50 mph+. Tell me more about this super belt. I for one hope that Buell DOESN`T build any kind of adventure tourer or DP bike. But sticks with the current platform. If I want one of those KTM would be my choice. It`s what they do, it`s what they know. And their new V Twin super moto is looking pretty good to me right now. But I would like to see an XB Street Tracker, along the lines of A flat tracker. Even an XB12SX would catch my eye. S1Eric | ||
| Mfell2112 |
The Achilles heel of the new DS Buell will be its weight. Buell has never made a light motorcycle. On the street you can get away with a little extra weight but, in the dirt that extra weight will just wear you out. The DR 650 pictured above is a fine example of what a dual sport should be although maybe a bit on the heavy side for serious dirt riding. Another fine example would be the Honda XR400. At 247 lbs I think it would be very managable in the dirt. My YZ 250 is only 9 lbs lighter then the XR. Lets hope Buell gives us a light weight Dual sport not some glorified XB12 with long travel suspension. I don't think the motor mounts off an XB could take the abuse either. Regards Mike | ||
| Newfie_buell |
It may say so Dave, But everytime I take it off road its turns into a bloody adventure.  Thats the bike on Marble Mountain (a very popular ski resort on the East Coast of Canada - Newfoundland) | ||
| Lake_bueller |
First....I think you're confusing "dual sport" with what BMW calls "enduro touring". It's not a full blown, "take it through the woods, ride over logs and boulders" style of bike. Think more along the lines of the R1200GS and KTM 950 Adventure. Secondly...lets compare proposed and actual weights: R1200GS - 496lb (and they call that lean R1150GS Adventure - 547lb KTM 950 Adventure - 436.5lb Buell XB12R (heaviest Buell in current line-up) - 395lb You'd have to add a LOT of extras to get to the KTM weight. Image that the BMW is 100lb heavier!!! I see the Buell as being the weight leader in the category. In my opinion, the "achilles heel" for Buell would be the frame. To easily damaged in an off-road tip over. | ||
| M1combat |
"In my opinion, the "achilles heel" for Buell would be the frame. To easily damaged in an off-road tip over." Too easily "marred" maybe, but from what I hear the frame is VERY survivable... | ||
| S1eric |
XB12R 395 LB PLEEEEZZZZZZZZ How about 462Lb wet on THE SCALES ! Per Motor Cyclist scale. Maybe 395 in the buell literature. Your telling me gas and oil weighs 70Lbs. S1eric | ||
| S1eric |
Maybe ? | ||
| S1eric |
Its still lighter than the KTM though. S1Eric | ||
| Steve_a |
BMW R12GS: 502/535 pounds empty/full tank (no luggage) KTM 950: 471/502 pounds empty/full tank (luggage?) Buell XB12R 442/462 pounds empty/full tank It wouldn't be hard for a new Buell to come in substantially less than the BMW and close to the KTM. | ||
| Steve_a |
Buell's published weight for its bikes seems to use the Japanese standard, which is a shipping weight that excludes ALL fluids and the battery. No Japanese motorcycle comes close to this manufacturer supplied weight. Some manufacturers, such as Yamaha, will also supply a curb weight, tank empty, on their spec sheets (but not in their ads!) that is generally quite close to what the bikes actually weigh. | ||
| M1combat |
No fuel, oil or battery and with lightweight D207's and helium in the tank, tires and swingarm? You KNOW people tend to put an extra 1/2 quart in the XB's too...  The real story is the fact that the XB engine is 50lbs heavier than an R1 engine, yet the bikes are reasonably close to the same weight . Within a couple pounds of Honda's CBR1000RR... Just think... How much will a Buell with a light "race" V-Twin weigh? It's already a good deal lighter than the 999 and the RC-51, and a bit lighter than the Mille R... The future looks bright my friends . | ||
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| Court |
>>>>It's called the XB12X Ulysses. It will show up in a magazine (cycle world, I believe) prior to it's introduction at the dealer show. How very interesting. . . .  |
