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The following snippets from the September Cycle World are courtesy BadWeBr "Whosyodaddy" and of course a big double barrelled hurrah and mucho thanks to Cycle World, by far the best general motorcycle publication in America, period. If you don't already subscribe, please do so. It just doesn't get any better than Kevin Cameron, Peter Egan, Don Canet, Steve Anderson, et al for great informative and entertaining commentary for the world of two-wheeled moto enthusiasts, well, aside from here on BadWeB of course. : D

Thanks again Whosyodaddy and CW!





Another picture in the review (which I've not scanned) shows a rider on a black XB12x with full luggage. Not a drop of banana to be seen.

Steve A. adds: "The Ulysses is about 35 pounds lighter than the new R12GS..."

Some snippets and factoids from the September CW article...

List price = $11,495
Fuel capacity = 4.4 gallons
Seat height = 35"
Ground clearance = 7.0 "
Wet weight = 496lb
Wheelbase = 54.3"
Rake/Trail = 22.0o/4.8"
SAE RWHP = 83.70 @ 6800 rpm (looks like less power up high than XB12R/S models)
Torque = 68.90 ft/lbs @ 5k (with more power/torque down low)
1/4 mile = 12.18 (110.24 mph)
Measured top speed = 131 mph
Engine speed @ 60 mph = 2,955 RPM
Front tire: 120/70-17 Special Dunlop specifically for the Buell XB12X Ulysses.
Rear tire: 170/60-17 Special Dunlop specifically for the Buell XB12X

Cool stuff:
  • (2) accessory outlets - one on the dash, one under the seat
  • A very trick rear rack that folds up.
  • A very cool hard-luggage option.
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"The Ulysses is likely to be Buell's breakthrough - the bike that moves it toward eventual BMW-level sales volume.It's the best thing Buell has ever made."
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"...the Ulysses is posed to become one of the great utility machines of our time."
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"Only Honda Gold Wings and their like offer better passenger accommodations than the Ulysses."
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"But the most important thing about the Ulysses isn't its potential reliability, or its almost-unparalleled versatility, or its touring capability, or even its butch supermotard looks. Instead, it's the fun it provides when you ride it. Cycle World Online Editor Calvin Kim said it best as he hopped off the Ulysses after a fast blast up 10 miles of twisty mountain road. With a face lit by a big grin, Calvin declared, "This thing is the best, the very best, American motorcycle ever."Ain't too shabby compared to the rest of the world, either."
.
.
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"Because the Ulysses was intended as an adventure-sportbike, little consideration was given to running a 19 or 21 inch front tire. While larger tires work for motocrossers and pure off-road bikes, sportbike tire sizes make for better pavement handling, and can work reasonably well on dirt, as proven in supermotard racing."
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"...an all new transmission with shift quality is positively Japanese."
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"The BMW is a more capable adventure-tourer, the Ducati a sportier sportbike, while the Buell specializes in not specializing, and therefore offers the broadest appeal. It's a jack of all trails, master of some.

Thanks again Whosyodaddy, Steve A., Cycle World and of course Buell Motorcycle Company! First test ride report by a BadWeBr wins something cool. : )

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Brucelee
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
If that is the new model, I am bored speechless.
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Noface
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I can picture those in the back room of the local HD Boutique. The RUBS and Posers are really gonna gag when they see these.

Somebody please tell me it has 100+RWHP. Please?
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Ricky
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
"Somebody please tell me it has 100+RWHP. Please?"


OK, it has a 100RWHP.
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Daves
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 10:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Yep, this will really show which dealers are in the MOTORCYCLE biz and which ones are in the HD biz.
Hopefully this will be the straw that gets rid of all the alleged Buell dealers out there that have been screwing up the Buell biz for years.
That will pave the road for the good Buell dealers to forge ahead, full speed to offer great bikes, great service and great fun to their customers.
The future is bright indeed!
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
From the Ulysses Pic topic in the XBoard...

The following snippets from the September Cycle World are courtesy BadWeBr "Whosyodaddy" and of course a big double barrelled hurrah and mucho thanks to Cycle World, by far the best general motorcycle publication in America, period. If you don't already subscribe, please do so. It just doesn't get any better than Kevin Cameron, Peter Egan, Don Canet, Steve Anderson, et al for great informative and entertaining commentary for the world of two-wheeled moto enthusiasts, well, aside from here on BadWeB of course. : D

Thanks again Whosyodaddy and CW!





Another picture in the review (which I've not scanned) shows a rider on a black XB12x with full luggage. Not a drop of banana to be seen.

Steve A. adds: "The Ulysses is about 35 pounds lighter than the new R12GS..."

Some snippets and factoids from the September CW article...

List price = $11,495
Fuel capacity = 4.4 gallons
Seat height = 35"
Ground clearance = 7.0 "
Wet weight = 496lb
Wheelbase = 54.3"
Rake/Trail = 22.0o/4.8"
SAE RWHP = 83.70 @ 6800 rpm (looks like less power up high than XB12R/S models)
Torque = 68.90 ft/lbs @ 5k (with more power/torque down low)
1/4 mile = 12.18 (110.24 mph)
Measured top speed = 131 mph
Engine speed @ 60 mph = 2,955 RPM
Front tire: 120/70-17 Special Dunlop specifically for the Buell XB12X Ulysses.
Rear tire: 170/60-17 Special Dunlop specifically for the Buell XB12X

Cool stuff:
  • (2) accessory outlets - one on the dash, one under the seat
  • A very trick rear rack that folds up.
  • A very cool hard-luggage option.
.
.
.
"The Ulysses is likely to be Buell's breakthrough - the bike that moves it toward eventual BMW-level sales volume.It's the best thing Buell has ever made."
.
.
.
"...the Ulysses is posed to become one of the great utility machines of our time."
.
.
.
"Only Honda Gold Wings and their like offer better passenger accommodations than the Ulysses."
.
.
.
"But the most important thing about the Ulysses isn't its potential reliability, or its almost-unparalleled versatility, or its touring capability, or even its butch supermotard looks. Instead, it's the fun it provides when you ride it. Cycle World Online Editor Calvin Kim said it best as he hopped off the Ulysses after a fast blast up 10 miles of twisty mountain road. With a face lit by a big grin, Calvin declared, "This thing is the best, the very best, American motorcycle ever."Ain't too shabby compared to the rest of the world, either."
.
.
.
"Because the Ulysses was intended as an adventure-sportbike, little consideration was given to running a 19 or 21 inch front tire. While larger tires work for motocrossers and pure off-road bikes, sportbike tire sizes make for better pavement handling, and can work reasonably well on dirt, as proven in supermotard racing."
.
.
.
"...an all new transmission with shift quality is positively Japanese."
.
.
.
"The BMW is a more capable adventure-tourer, the Ducati a sportier sportbike, while the Buell specializes in not specializing, and therefore offers the broadest appeal. It's a jack of all trails, master of some.

Thanks again Whosyodaddy, Steve A., Cycle World and of course Buell Motorcycle Company! First test ride report by a BadWeBr wins something cool. : )
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Ftd
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 10:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
So what is the second new model??

Frank
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Jscott
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 11:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Apparently it is the XB12Ss (Lightning Long)
See press release.

http://www.buell.com/en_us/news_events/newsdetail.asp?news_id=717

I was hoping for a fully faired XB9RR or XB12RR, but it was not to be.
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Outrider
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Crap...35 minutes to go.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Little "s" for "stretched"?
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Jon
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 11:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I'm very pleased for Buell to have made a bike that is so well recieved. I can't wait to try one.
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Danny
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
There's a pic of a black one on advrider.com also from the same article. Saddlebags and topbox mounted.

I like it.
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Cruisin
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
The site is now up!
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Jon
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Here's a link to Buell Press Release that seems to be piercing the problems the website is having.

http://www.buell.com/en_us/news_events/pressrelease.asp
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Boxjoint
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I must confess- I was bad mouthing it with the few "renderings" we saw but this IS my type of bike!

They did a good job. Increasing the fuel capacity will attract more sport-touring riders like myself.
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Jon
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
They did an excellent job. Did you read the stuff about the U-bike? GPS available fall '05. Trick and versatile luggage system.
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Outrider
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Dang, the new site is so cool. Even model comparo's like Harley's!
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Lake_bueller
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I love it!!! Especially with the full compliment of luggage (but I love my S3T).
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Outrider
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
And how about the retrofit High Performance Oil Pump Drive Gear.

Now that's about the best news I could have!!!

Thanks Erik!!!
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Tripp
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
and i thought for sure one of the new models would be a redesigned xb blast...
i like the ulysses, it's just not my thing, i love the new xbss however, reminds me of my dear cyclone lucretia, and it even comes in orange! oh, joy!! there just might be another buell parked in my garage this spring!!
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Tommy_2stroke
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Bravo, bravo! [applause, applause]

Well done. My congratulations to Erik and the whole Buell engineering team. This is a very solid update, with features and improvements that cover the full range of machines. If you wanted a clear demonstration of the creativity and vitality of Buell engineering, well here it is.

Good work guys and gals, these new bikes will surely bring many new folks into our Buell camp.
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Newfie_buell
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I like it!!!!
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Cataract2
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Well, like last year we had those who didn't like the City X until they saw it in person. Wonder if that will happen again this year.

Now, I LOVE the 4.4 gal gas tank. I'm tempted to trade up. That or I'll be buying that oil drive gear and replacing mine. Anyways, this is a sure winner to me. The orange or black color for the XB12X is great too. Hard to decided which color I'd want.

The XB12Ss is the bike many people who complained saying the XB was to small is for. I like the idea of it and it also has a 4.4 gal tank.

Now, just gotta do some test riding on these.
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Charlieboy6649
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
YAY!!! They built it! I must have this bike! I sat on a GS at Fontana and loved it. Now this! My mind has changed, I'll take the Buell please! WATCH OUT BMW!
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Tommy_2stroke
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 04:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I'm sure the Ulysses is going to cause some serious brain-warp at SOME Harley dealerships. We know some of them already have trouble knowing what to do with "regular" Buells in their showrooms. The first sight of the 12X might cause their heads to explode... eye balls pop out on springs, steam shoots from ears... (I hope, heh!)

(Message edited by tommy_2stroke on July 23, 2005)
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Benm2
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Now, I begin the two year wait till I can afford a used one. For sure though, no GS1150 BMW for me! The hard bags on the website look cool too. My next STREET bike has been made.

Was hopin' for a more powerfurl Lightning, though.
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Grndskpr
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Yep, this will really show which dealers are in the MOTORCYCLE biz and which ones are in the HD biz.
Hopefully this will be the straw that gets rid of all the alleged Buell dealers out there that have been screwing up the Buell biz for years.


+1
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Impulse_101
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 06:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
I didn't like the look of the trunk, but the bags alone are pretty sharp. Forgive my rudimentary Photoshop skills.



I'm not sure what to think about this bike right now. I have to ride it in order to figure out if this is the closest Buell will ever get to a sport tourer again, or should I think about modifying one of the new Ss models.

JT
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Mikeyp
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Crap
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Charlieboy6649
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
B-e-a-utiful!
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Roadrunr
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Guess we are all entitled to our own opinions right? I am not really impressed. Sorry guys but if this is all Buell has to offer I will stick with my 00 X1. Wow what a let down (for me anyway)!!!
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Budo
Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 11:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Same old motor, same power.
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Charlieboy6649
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 12:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
"Useable power" These are not superbikes... They're streetfighters...
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Jon
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 12:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
Man, I'm proud of Erik and his crew. Nice job, Erik! Hot Dang!

I'll be checking both of these bikes out. The new longer lightning and the Ulysses.
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Mikej
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)
So, what was written in the sealed envelope from those folks who peeked in the front windows of Buell a while back?

(Message edited by mikej on July 25, 2005)
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