| Author | Message | ||
     Dsergison |
I was considering upgrading my X1 shock. I think it's leaking too. I was on American Sport Bike and I see the WorksPerformance for 600 and the Penske for $1000+. are both significantly better than stock? is the Penske really a "must have" improvment over the WP? (Message edited by dsergison on June 30, 2005) | ||
| Tramp |
The penske is far and away superior to the wp, without the unconscious racist associations... | ||
| Dsergison |
ok, how far down the scale is the stock shock? I mean, it has adjustable compression and rebound too? what specifically does the penske do better for your money? (I know it looks cool!) | ||
| Matty |
Tramp, American Sport Bike sells the Works Performance shock =) Both Penske and Works have several different spec levels of shocks. Both are rebuildable. Both offer great customer service. I've used both and I have to say that they are miles above the Showa unit, if only since they are tailor made for your size. (and they shure are purty) My only gripe with the Works unit is that they tend to use shaft seals that kinda stick and squeek. | ||
| Daves |
Works or Penske are great shocks. Works are a little less $$ Of course you save 10% on either thru me. | ||
| Dsergison |
Daves, what do they run? or should I call? | ||
| Tramp |
always check with dave, first, the penske certainly has greater longevity and much firmer all-around feel. it retains consistent compression/rebound throughout it's travel, unlike the showa. matty- thanks for the subtle check of my subtle error  | ||
| Dsergison |
thanks Tramp. they sort of look like the same design. all remote resevoir shocks, with the same controlls. the overall firmness would be due to stiffer springs? I wonder how physically the showa could be inferior in it's consistency. I wonder if just a firmer spring would fix my showa up plenty? | ||
| Daves |
I can put you in touch with someone that could probably fix your Showa for you. Call me if you want info. | ||
| Matty |
Isn't there a Battle2win that had a review of a racetech kit that revalved the shock? I can't recall what issue it was, but I wonder if the kit is still available or ever came into being???  | ||
| Tramp |
like i say- the consistency of the penske is what i notice. whether rebound and compression are set high or low, the shock retains a strong adherence to that adjustment throughout it's travel. i have a close friend with an independent shop in san francisco, and i rode several customer bikes before and after the penske. that's the best way i can find to iterate the feeling... (Message edited by tramp on June 29, 2005) (Message edited by tramp on June 29, 2005) | ||
| Al_lighton |
Don't use the initials WP to describe a Works Performance shock. WP shocks that initially came on the pre-99 bikes were WHITE POWER, not Works performance. Either the Works or the Penske will kick a WP's butt. The WP is not a very good shock in it's stock condition, regardless of the recall issue. The Penske adds adjustable ride height that the top Works shock doesn't have. However, the Works shock is built "correctly", with a remote compression reservoir, as opposed to the backwards Penske (and Showa) that have remote Rebound reservoirs. The Penske damping adjusters are a little compromised from optimum since they are backwards, you loose some range of adjustment as a result of that compromise. WHile I sell their higher end units, I can't recommend them for tuber Buells because the big difference in their higher models is usually greater adjustability of the Compression damping, but in the Buell shocks, it provides greater adjustability of the Rebound damping. Unless you're a god of suspension tuning, that isn't worth the extra coin. I have a Works on my S3, a Penske on my S1W. Both are fine shocks, lots nicer than the stock Showa. I do not stock them or buy them from distribution, all are obtained directly from the manufacturer, built per the riders weight and riding style. It sometimes takes a while. Works has been HORRIBLY backed up this year, largely because some of the components used in the Buell shocks are also used in their large bore MX shocks (i.e., CRF450 etc). Penske seems to be faster in general in getting their shocks out. Al | ||
| Tramp |
That "WP" descriptor was what threw me off in earlier posts. Thought he meant that Klan shock | ||
| Dsergison |
oh, thanks. i fixed my post. what's Horribly backed up mean? months? | ||
| Davegess |
Works did the first shocks for Buell. then we switched over to WP from Holland and then ended up with Showa. Others are more competant than me to discuss the working of these, I always thought the WP's used on the RS models were cool. They had a remote preload adjuster so no tools needed and no need to remove anything to get to it. Interesting story, WP started life as White Power and became WP after emerging from some sort of financial crisis. The White Power name has no racist ovetones in Holland in fact if the Dutch had any ideas that the phrase was associated with Neo-Nazi groups in the US they would have been appalled as they sufered horribly under the Nazi's and resisted them bravely. | ||
| Tramp |
er.... both the nazis and the dutch were white. not so much a race as a political issue. the nazis abused, en masse, many nations as racist as their own. while i was kidding around about racist overtones, bear in mind that most nederlander is no less racist (by a long shot)than the average white american. regardless, yes- the nederland denizens fought with exceptional bravery against the reich. but again, i was just making jest when i stated that the name white power bears racist overtones. you wanna see REAL racism first-hand? visit warsaw, the city that should have figured out the evil idiocy of the nazis long ago.... (Message edited by tramp on July 01, 2005) | ||
| Rocketman |
i'm an idiot Rocket (Message edited by rocketman on July 02, 2005) | ||
| Rocketman |
Al that'a a very informative yet simple description of the WP v Penske v Works shock. Thanks very much. Perhaps we should archive it in the appropriate place just in case we ever forget who told us LOL. Rocket | ||
| Blake |
See little red "  " icon. If click on little red "" icon, you can make silly post go away. No one know. Blake "idiot" many times too. But Blake know about little red "" icon. |
