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Dsergison
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 01:49 pm: | 
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ALL YOUR POSTS ARE BELONG TO TRAMP!
HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!
dang dude, do you have stocks in dead dinosaurs? |
Tramp
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 03:20 pm: |
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funny thang is, I'm not suggesting that anyone else should use organic in their buells, i'm only mentioning that it's done my buell well for the past 214,000 miles. i still believe in synthetics, and i like 'em the euro cars that i sometimes wrench on. i have no doubt they are excellent for buells as well.
what i AM questioning is, if we are going to quote the buell manual for answering the viscosity question (a practice which i agree 200% with), then saying that synth adds a level of protection (which i'm certain it does), we should consult the manual for their recommendation on t synth, as well.
"what's in YOUR manual?" -capital tramp
(Message edited by tramp on July 13, 2005) |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 06:16 am: |
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Perhaps when the manual was printed HDI didn't have their own brand of Synth to SELL!
Tramp whilst I understand where with great gutso you come from in this thread I have serious doubts about whether you're telling us the truth or not.
Let me explain.
How does someone find the time to ride 214000 miles, TWO HUNDRED AND FOURTEEN THOUSAND MILES, and participate on the BadWeB between rebuilding European car engines???????? 
Do you know how much time I spend correcting typo's here?
Rocket |
Tramp
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 09:01 am: |
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seriously, though- it only comes out to under 22,000 miles a year, which is no great feat for year-round riding (virtually no car ownership)with many cross-countries mixed in. |
Brucelee
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 09:55 am: |
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"we should consult the manual for their recommendation on t synth, as well."
Well, not really. Elementary logic, HD has nothing to gain by misleading us on the use of correct viscosity for their engines.
On the other hand, they have much to gain by misleading you on the choice of syn and how often to use it.
I.E, use our syn only and change is as often as DINO. Well that DOES put more money in their pocket, no?
They do have a history of promoting their own oil, no? |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 02:34 pm: |
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Rocket,
Never met him in person that I know of, but am pretty sure Tramp is the real deal.  |
Tramp
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 03:01 pm: |
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thank you, blake.
trust me, i have no hubris invested in mileage.
here's a down-to-earth way to look at it, rocket: take your annual mileage of your commuter car and add it to that of your motorcycle. if you have an suv or pickemup as well, factor it's miles in.
i don't doubt that you get at least close to 15k a year, all toys combined. now, imagine you do a coast-to-coast every third year (approx 5,800 miles)... and now factor in ridiculous late-night allovertheplace riding with a pack, at least weekly for many of those years...the sum you come up with should exceed my piddly 20K+ miles annually on my (almost) sole vehicle. i actually own an S3T, but i rarely wheel it out... |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 10:28 pm: |
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Blake I think as Tramp understood my last post was meant as humour.
214000 miles - Tramp may well be the real deal but I bet he has a sore arse!!!
Rocket |
Tramp
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 08:51 am: |
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saaaaaay....
i apologize for bandying about with my mileage, incidentally, i only mentioned it 'cause it seems high for a never-rebuilt sportster engine.
and on that note, I do recognize that guys who know far more than i do about petrotech espouse synthetic oil, and i recognize that maybe my engine would go even longer with synth. it's an interesting, albeit much-visted subject |
Knotrider
| | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 12:54 am: |
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i'm not a lab geek or an exotic auto wrench. but, i know that lucas oil treatment (or additive) has silenced a bottom end knock in a 1969 detroit 8v71 318 for years! and that motor ran all day long 5 or 6 days a week! it has also kept a friends mercurys' bottom end knock muffled for months. until the inevitable boom came along. this is why my oil changes are 80% oil and 20% lucas every 1000/1500 miles. my son who is an avid street racer in his civic (but not on my 9r he says) does the same and all is well so far. this stuff is 100% fossil and it's thick and sticky like honey. that makes me think it's great on start-ups. another rule of thumb for me is if the oil is not clear upon draining...you waited too long. |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 01:31 am: |
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Snake oil. No disrespect, but oil additives are all crap for new engines. You are likely doing more harm than good putting that stuff in a new non-knocking engine. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 09:38 am: |
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petro-engineer of my aquaintence likened STP to Heroine for engines -- makes you feel good for a moment, highly addictive, only masks the trouble
since he makes his living as a lubrication consultant to engine manufacturers and fleet operators, I tend to follow his advice, which bouil;s down to use the manufacturers recommendation regarging weights and you're fine -- change your oil like a Chicago Voter -- early and often |
Road_thing
| | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 12:23 pm: |
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Stay
Together
Please |
Bomber
| | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 01:28 pm: |
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ROFLMAO!
yeah -- that was my mantra for way longer than I care to think about, to and from work, concerts, hot dates (or the attempt to secure one) . . . . |
Tramp
| | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 04:01 pm: |
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funny thing there- one of my ex's classmates from Cornell (Engineering) got a job w/STP.
she and I had long conversations about just this.
Personally, I use STP only in very high-mile old-style engines.
the hypothesis stated a few posts above, that Lucas would assist cold-starting by pre-filming innnards, is true to a degree, that is, it's helpful in OLDER engines (american V8s, , Subarus, Volks aircooled boxers) of high mileage. In a newer engine it can work against a safe cold start, by actually impeding cold oil feed through tiny passages.
STP, or, as we ahve always lovingly called it in my circle of pre-teen to present day motorheads, "Motor Honey", is a terrible thing for cold starting, you can wipe out your bearings in the wrong engine or wrong temp, but... that being said,
It is helpful (in Bandaid {reg. tm johnosn & johnson co. inc.} terms) for old, clunky mills such as high-mile flatties, knucks , pans and shovels, in concert with straight 60.
I've used it successfully in many indians, and old, smoky v8s seem to like it.
but in any engine built in the past 20 years (excluding subaru boxers and mexican manufactured vw boxers) with reasonable mileage (ie: below 200K), it's essentially more engine methadone than smack.
avoid it all costs, stick with the wonderful products that modern tech avails us all.
Like I say, in my own experience, evo engines run exceptionally well on organic, and the bulk of lowend jobs to hit my lift were on scoots running syn th, BUT i thinbk the owners were, by and large, assuming they could run with far fewer oil changes than the manual suggested, being they ran synth.
I was taught, in BMW tech II, that BMW brand synth actually changed from a TOTAL weight of 5 to a TOTAL weight of 50, by molecular stimulation, but we didn't get too 'slide-rule' about it. the charts were cool, though,a nd I often consider running a synth in my next buell or fxr. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 04:27 pm: |
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tramp -- careful there, bud -- I beleive "Motor Honey" was/is a product of another company altogether (Casite?) |
Tramp
| | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 08:50 pm: |
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yes it is- and we always referred to all viscofortifiers as such, hence my quaint 'bandaid' reference to name branding.
you know- like calling all facial tissue 'kleenex'.....
that was kinda my point, bombs.... |
Ceejay
| | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 11:30 pm: |
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viscofortifiers?...wow and I thought this was a bunch of good for nothing bikers.... |
Tramp
| | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 11:47 pm: |
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gimme time, i'm still only a rookie, here.... |
Bomber
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 10:15 am: |
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Tramp- there is no possible meaning of the word rookie that applies to you |
Tramp
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 10:24 am: |
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thanks bombs! |
Bomber
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 10:36 am: |
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my pleasure to serve ;-} |
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