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José_Quiñones
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 02:05 pm: | 
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Vrod sales seem pretty brisk here on the East Coast.
A VROD engine is based on the VR1000 in the same way the XB9R is based on the XL engine. They share no parts, just the architecture (the features and where they are placed on the engine)
Quote:Does anyone have the VROD motor's weight?
Well that opens up another can of worms!
I posted this before and was challenged on it; the people that need to be challenged are HD/BUELL press people (Paul James?) who gave these weights to the press during the introdutions:
VROD: 176 lbs, not including the radiator
XB9R: 178 lbs, including the F.I. Intake
The XL based engines we use now weigh around 210 lbs.
Either the Vrod engine is Light, or the XB9R is still HEAVY. They are probably both HEAVY compared to say, an RC51. |
Brianh
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 02:14 pm: |
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You guys amaze me. Badweb hasn't changed a bit. You are actually critisizing possibly the greatest leap forward the motorcompany has taken in 25 years. They're modern now!
The V-Rod powerplant kicks the crap out of ALL it's competition. The thing is barely tuned and it's kicking out 107rwhp. You guys are complaining about it? I saw a guy this past winter out on a brand new Rod with the Screamin Eagle pipes on it. It idled smooth, it sounded rock solid, and that bike took off like a bat out of hell. All my Jap ridin / Harley hatin friends were totally impressed by it. Walking away scratching their heads. Only thing that's keeping HD from completely obliterating the competition is the price point. $17K keeps it exclusive for sure.
Greg: Your original post was:
"Why in HELL would Buell use an engine that is based on a Superbike engine that failed miserably for so many years???"
And the V-Rod engine has absolutely NOTHING to do with the VR1000.
My stance is that Buell should be using this motor as soon as HD gives them access to it. A Buell with that powerplant, tweaked to lay down more ponies than a Duc or Mille (which seems totally possible), will totally change the perception of the marque. The fickle public will quickly forget all about the reliability issues and everyone will be selling their old Buells to get this new one.
Don't know about you guys, but if HD comes out with something remotely near that artists rendition, the Wife's Sporty and the S3 will be trade in fodder for it. The Wife won't argue with me as long as it says HD on the tank. |
Buelliedan
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 03:07 pm: |
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Brian,
You just keep making too much sense lately. What happened to the good ole annoyingly stupid Cecil that Aaaron and I loved to argue with? Brian is too nice!! |
Bluzm2
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 03:48 pm: |
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Dan,
I gotta agree with you. I think someone has stolen both Cecil's and Brian's logon both here and at Sacborg.
Somethings waaay to fishy. Who ever it is making too much sense and isn't any where near contrary enough!! 
Brad |
Jim_M
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 03:52 pm: |
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Hey Blake,
I was just checking out the VROD, and it looks like their headers are located in the same spot on the front jug as the drawing...
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S320002
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 04:25 pm: |
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My stance is that Erik Buell et al are some pretty fine engineers. I think if they want to put a Superbike engine in a Buell they should get to design it their way. Most likely that will mean inovative, simple, efficient and not just another LCOHC V-Twin. I'd rather wait a couple of years and see something realy cool than see the same thing everyone else has right now.
Remember; "Change is esential to progress, without change there is no progress".
Greg |
The Setta
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 04:34 pm: |
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S32002,
I think if you ask around, a lot of Harley Stores have already pre sold their allotment of V-Rods for this year. They are selling very well and at quite a high price point. The v-rod amy not be a chrome beast, but it is a harley, it is new, and it is will likely be selling extremely well...
The Setta |
José_Quiñones
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 06:58 pm: |
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Raymaines
For the record, you had the scoop on the X1 replacement being announced in July.
Here's something to back up your scoop, from Motorcyclist, May 2002, page 28:
Quote:Buell says it will hold a press conference July 16 to introduce its entire 2003 lineup. Expect it to include a replacement for the streetfighter X1, based upon the Firebolt's innovative X-frame platform
Mark July 16th on your calendars, then. |
José_Quiñones
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 07:04 pm: |
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Quote:I'd rather wait a couple of years and see something realy cool than see the same thing everyone else has right now.
The problem with that is that they might not have a couple of years to throw away, because of what Jim_M said, which pretty much nails it:
Quote:But, badging it as an HD will canabalize sales from Buell. A relatively modern engine (ie, liquid cooled, 4 valve, conterbalanced) in a decent chassis (though we will need to see actual specs if it is to be built) with over 100 hp at the rear wheel will attract many, many more buyers than have been Buell's bread and butter the past 8 years.
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S320002
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 07:16 pm: |
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I think if built it should be a Harley they could call it the VMaxRod. It looks more like competion for the VMax than than Buell. No?
Greg |
Jim_M
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 07:58 pm: |
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Ah, but the question is, is the VMax a competitor to the Buells?
maybe not in it's 17 year old clothes, but if there is a new model coming out in 2003, expect it to capitalize on this "new" market of neo-standards. I'm thinking more of a Bulldog type frame with a 1500 cc V4.
Now, who would Mr Max be guning for, HD? or Buell (and, by extension, other performance naked bikes)?
This is a critical juncture on HD's part. Badge it as an HD, and Buell wil lbe left with it's currrent fan base, with a few new converts a year. or, badge it as a Buell (I don't even know if Erik would go for that, or how much say he has in the matter), and eat away at the XB line up. what to do?
I would like to see Buell have a line up similar to Ducati, with a complete line of air cooled and liquid cooled engines. But what they announce in July will definitely be felt for the next few years in both lines.
all IMHO, of course. |
Ralph
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 08:14 pm: |
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Jim nailed it, what you think is the cylinder is actually the head. The smooth portion is the valve area. The cylinders are in the block.
Brian, I don't buy new bikes. Can't afford it. A bike like that would kill me 'cause I'd have to buy it.
When I pulled the motor on the S3 I weighed it. Came up with about 190. That's complete except for carb. I'm not going to bet on the accuracy of the scale, but it's close.
bighairyralph |
Eeeeek
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 08:15 pm: |
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Quote:I would like to see Buell have a line up similar to Ducati, with a complete line of air cooled and liquid cooled engines.
DING!DING!DING!DING!DING!DING!DING!DING!
We have a winner!
Now, admittedly, Ducati has a rather small share of the market, but look at their line up.
998: Superbike
748: See, above, smaller engine
ST4s: High end Sport touring, with the old Superbike Engine
ST4: Same as above, older Superbike engine and not quite as high end suspension and such
ST2: Sport touring, more basic engine and components
S4 Monster: Naked bike with the old Superbike engine
900, 750, 620 Monsters: Various engine sizes
900ss, 750ss, 900s, 750s: Sport bikes that you can ride for an extended period. Air cooled, pretty basic.
Not a bad model and many of the bikes share the same engine development. As th new Superbike comes out, other models get the previous Superbike engine.
Vik
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Shot_Gun
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 08:49 pm: |
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 This might just get me to buy another bike! |
Raymaines
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 09:33 pm: |
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Best case sceniero: The bike weighs about 475 lbs. and has a proper frame, engine and brakes. It handles well, is reliable and (dream on, fool) sells for a reasonable price. I’m buying it! I don’t care what name on the tank is.
We more or less know that Buell has a replacement for the X1 planed but, over all, what becomes of the Buell brand? If Harley starts selling Street Fighter bikes, what does Buell have to offer? If someone would explain the HD marketing strategy I could go to bed happy. |
José_Quiñones
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 09:47 pm: |
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I think it can be summed up as follows:
HD to Buell: Sink or Swim! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 10:27 pm: |
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Erik knows how to swim with the sharks. Take a good look at his history. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 10:33 pm: |
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José_Quiñones,
Always with the negetive vibes man, always the negetive vibes. Sheeesh! |
Rick_A
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 11:09 pm: |
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I think it's all good. Harley should be the one to bring such a machine to market. I think Buell should continue as they have. |
S320002
| | Posted on Friday, March 29, 2002 - 11:16 pm: |
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Rick_A,
Makes perfect sense to me.
G |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 02:45 am: |
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here's one for y'all...
XB12R or VRSF
Which would you want?
One XB12R for me please.  |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 06:26 am: |
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XB12R with a full fairing please. |
Mitchelob
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 06:37 am: |
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Locally, the gent who was #2 on the XB9R waiting list is very happy to be awaiting the first one delivered. I rolled my deposit over to the next XB derivative. XB12R sounds good to me!!! |
Rick_A
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 06:49 am: |
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Naked XB12R for me, thanks |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 06:55 am: |
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[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/pd035afa3f178ad9143ce259603543497/fdf8cd92.jpg[/img]
A fairing similar to this would be sweet. |
Rick_A
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 07:08 am: |
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I don't think fairings, air cooling, and street riding mix |
José_Quiñones
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 07:31 am: |
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It can be done, the Suzuki Katanas are air/oil cooled and have full fairings.
VRST for me! |
José_Quiñones
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 07:32 am: |
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Negative vibes?
Truth hurts, eh, anon? |
Court
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 07:54 am: |
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>>>Erik knows how to swim with the sharks.
Likely the greatest understatement possible....there are wonderful things in store for Buell and I have never been more excited.
Court |
Ralph
| | Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 09:13 am: |
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Court, from what I've seen you live in a constant state of exitement
bighairyralph |
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