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S2no1
Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Guess what, after almost 10 years I got two (2) speeding tickets, neither on my motorcycle (see what I get for driving a cage). One was Feb. 2001 and the second Feb 2002. How are the rest of you Holligan Buelligans Doing?

Arvel
Nope, I ain't braggin, the second was an out and out speed trap. It is not physically possible to take a 2001 Dodge Dakota 4-cyl/4-speed from 0 to 38 to 0 in 600 feet. The Judge and I are about to have a discussion about newtonian physics, observations in less than 21 seconds, and speed traps that are in two jurisdictions.
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Henrik
Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 11:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm getting a radar detector this season for just that reason - if you're shopping there apparently is a newer, improved version of detector detection out (VG2?)

I've gotten a couple of tickets also over the years, but have been able to go to court and negotiate the points down. Of course the dollar value goes up accordingly, but it didn't go on my record. Here you get to talk to the officer before going in front of the judge, and some sweet talking worked well for me.

good luck
Henrik
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Rick_A
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 07:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I got 7 tickets over a two month span late last year on the bike. 2 tickets previous to that in cars over a 6 year span...and both as a passenger! I guess I'm too used to getting away with hooliganism in cars...I drive like a madman everywhere I go, but it seems I can hardly go down the street here on my Buell without getting busted for something. Must be the "arrest me" red color?
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 09:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That's right Rick, that darn red color will get you every time!!! Or... could it be that you "drive like a madman everywhere (you) go"? For your own benefit, maybe you should take it to a track. In the long run it'll be easier on your wallet AND your health. :)
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Rocketman
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've not been busted in nearly four years, that is until I got caught on the M18 doing 98.96 in the TVR a couple of weeks ago. I had the CD that loud I don't even know if the Valentine 1 found the bogey.

The last time I got done for speeding, again in the TVR, and on the same sodding motorway, which must rank as one of the most deserted in the freekin country on a Sunday night, I was doing 115. That cost me a few quid and a 56 day ban. This time around I could again be looking at a ban because speeding laws are getting tougher over here. STEALTH TAXING is its more commonly used name. Fuck 'em I say. They'll NEVER slow me down :)

Rocket in England
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Mark_In_Ireland
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 04:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Think of what could have happened if you were driving a really fast car....:) :) :)

Yorkshire police are hot on speeding....took the back roads thru Yorkshire last week and it was amazed at the number of speed cameras......glad I moved to the clear roads of the Lakes.....but if the government gets its way, bikes banned from all National Parks..........not good...:(
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Iggy
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

yesterday i was leaving the university and saw a cop-cycle ahead a bit and over a few lanes. he signals for me to come up beside him.
i'm wondering if maybe he's noticed me trying to push the bike over onto its side around campus and wants to give me a scolding.
Instead he asks about the bike and explains how he drools over it everytime he sees it parked on campus.

hopefully i won't havta worry about tickets from him.
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Rick_A
Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 01:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yes Blake, I'll take it to the track after:
1)I purchase and build a track bike
2)Purchase a pickup to transport said bike

So, it'll be a while.

My point was mainly that I double the speed limit fairly regularly in cars...even got into a wreck in which I was blatantly at fault, and have never got anything but a couple seatbelt tickets, as a damn passenger.

On the Buell if I do 15 over just down the street I'm busted. Maybe it's 'cause word gets around of 70mph wheelies in town??
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Rocketman
Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 09:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mark

The East side of Yorkshire has no GATSO cameras anywhere, just sneaky mobile one's in the rear of white Transit vans. They are spottable by a split rear window glass on the right side door which is opened for the camera. I spotted one in a lay-by recently, and out of curiosity I turned around and went back for a closer look. I stopped right behind the STEALTH TAXER and fook me, the camera opperator is sat in the back of the van too. Cheeky bastards. Anyone would think speeding is dangerous !

And about that TVR. It drives the REAR wheels Mutha F, unlike them poxy traction controlled 2.3 Carlssons. And just in case you're in any doubt as to how fast my 25 year old SPORTSCAR is, you're welcome to the passenger seat anytime. Trust me, you'll need a change of underwear !

With the Yokohama tyres I've got it on now, it probably pulls around 130 MPH, maybe a tad more, but the exhaust I made for it last year is not working too well. I can't pull the last 1000 RPM. I need the silencer boxes from an XJ 6 Jag to rebuild it to the correct spec. Unfortunately, I didn't know that last year, so I used two 1.8 VW Golf silencers, which are just so fucking LOUD and sound awesome but they are sapping top end power !

Oh yeah, bring ear muffs too :)

RACERS FOR THE ROAD

Rocket in England
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Dust_Storm
Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 06:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

NO tickets yet, just a warning or three.. Rode my Blast around town for a month, and then had to drive my race bike to the dealer for transport to Phonenix for an upcoming race. Seeing as how I hadn't ridden it (a Kawak) for a month, and was used to the wide open throttle of the Blast, I just grabbed a handfull on the upramp to the freeway and ended up doing a wheelie at 90, passing EPPD's finest in low 3rd. Doh... He stopped me, and wrote me a warning for no headlight and turn signals, unlawful display of power and acceleration, and no mirrors. After I explained what I was doing, he followed me to the dealers and let me off...

Moral of the story, strap a mag - light and a mirror on your rocket before playing in traffic, or have your friend with his pickup help you out...

-=]DS[=- (still 380$ rich, whew!)
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Sandmanx1
Posted on Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey anybody know if there's anything i can do about a ticket for running a stop light that wouldn't change at 2:00 AM in the morning. I sat there for a timed 15 min. before i looked to see if it was safe to go and just as i did, the i better not call him that, very nice police officer came down the ramp and tried to give me a lot of other tickets to including insisting i was drunk or drinking even after i passed his breathalizer test. I heard somthing about bikes not tripping some sensor at lights and was hoping that was true and could be used in court to get out of it without paying a lawer and court costs.
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X1glider
Posted on Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sandmanx1: Don't know about where you live, but in TX, we have a provision that allows us to treat those situations like a faulty light or flashing red light. Stop, then proceed with caution when safe. I had this clarified in my defensive driving class. Next time, try riding and sitting over top of those metal strips in the road, they're electromagnets and need to sense metal from your bike. When that fails, put down the kickstand to get some metal closer to the strips. So far it's worked for me.
Traffic court? Guilty until proven innocent. Take a pic of your bike to show the judge how much plastic there is on it and tell him the story. You should get off. Then file a report to that "nice cop's" superior for his naughty behavior. Our HOG group has a list of officers who target bikers, just because and we file said reports. The purpose is to create a paper trail that will possibly show prejudice toward bikers in a court of law.
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Mikej
Posted on Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 02:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Also, start calling in service requests for any intersections to your local road repair departments, and log the calls you make when you make them. Another paper trail. At least 1/4th of the lights around here won't trigger for bikes.
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Shot_Gun
Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

X1Glider: Thanks for the advise on the kickstand! I tried it last weekend and it worked
Thankfuly my S2 doesnt have the saftey switch.
Sandman: ask to speak with the judge or DA before your court date. Ask them how to proceed with your situation. This should help and may get you some liency toward you ticket. Some police have a record of being over zelous and the judge is usually aware of these facts. Hope this helps

SG
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Spiderman
Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Guys a quick tip i recived from a local cop here in Michigan. This only works if he used a radar or laser. Take the ticket to cort ask the officer if he calibrated his gun before and after his shift. Then ask for the log that he did it and bam home free.
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Jmartz
Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 12:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Traffic on the freeways Atlanta flows well over the speed limit of 55. Mirrors show mostly your arms and shake incessantly resulting in blurry images. When wearing a full face helmet I can only see well to my side, what is happening to my rear is not as clear. To change lanes I'll allow a car to get next to me and then accelerate and get in front of it while it provides a shield for anyone else traveling in that lane.

When I do this my speed rises above the normal flow, which is generally around 75. Accoding to the law everyone should be holding 55 but I am not going to risk my life by forcing cars to slow down for me while I aim for my exit from the HOV lane.

What to do?
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sounds like you are running at 55mph in 5th gear. If so, try downshifting and your mirrors should clear up.
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Jmartz
Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Even if I could see clearly to my rear, I still prefer the speed-up and change lanes technique because I am convinced its safer. No rider in his/her right mind would slow down to cross 6 lanes during merging madness.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

About running the light. Talk to the prosecutor. He or she may simply drop the case.
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 03:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I once had an officer suggest that I was supposed to sit there until a car came to trigger it. I guess the look on my face made him realize how stupid his comment was. Play safe, be prudent and reasonable, and if they find you guilty then become a major pain in the arse.
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Pilk
Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Talk to the prosecutor, he will almost surely drop the ticket. I'm not aware of any state that doesn't have a provision for malfunctioning light or signal.
Pilk
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Sandmanx1
Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks every one im gonna try and call the prosecuter in the morning and see what he thinks i should do. What exactly should i look for on the road to trip the light this sucker is 5 houses down from me and i have to go through it every day. I looked around but im not seeing anything in the road it been happening for awhile now and im wondering if maybe its been blacktopped over because i see a small square metal plate in the middle of the road at the same light on the main street and have never had a problem going that direction.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, June 07, 2002 - 12:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have actually gotten off and pressed the crosswalk button before.
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Xgecko
Posted on Friday, June 07, 2002 - 02:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jeff, I had a Navy cop try to cite me for that...he called it abandoning my vehicle. I had waited through three light cycles waiting for a left turn before I went to trigger the crosswalk that also for some strange reason gets the left turn. The Base Traffic Judge threw out the ticket but he did laugh about it...he also told me to run it if I had to wait more than two cycles.
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Jmartz
Posted on Friday, June 07, 2002 - 09:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This morning my bike broke down a few Km from home and being that the way was mostly downhill I decided to push it. My wife came to rescue me and I gave her my jacket and helmet. As I am rolling dead stick on the the way home this cop sees meand wants to give me a ticket for not wearing a helmet. Luckily he relented and insisted I pushed it the remaining of the way.

Now, how stupid can these laws and those who ehforce them be?
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Shot_Gun
Posted on Friday, June 07, 2002 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jmartz: I'm usually about wearing a helmet. There are those times when you really don't need one also. such as your case. Two years ago I visited a friend in the Catskills in NY. We were going to pick up a tractor on top the mountain. It is a dirt road that see's mabey 10 cars a day. It is mostly for farm use. I didn't wear a helmet to take him up there I didn't see a need because I
might have been doing 15mph at the most. I wasn't dirt tracking or any thing like that. Coming down the hill I had a Park Police pull me over to give
me a ticket for no helmet? I couldn't belive it.
I tried to reason with him but he said" I just enforce the law I'm not to judge" What the F#@K? I finally told him when I heard the tractor comin down the hill that he could find me at the farm at the bottom of the hill if he wanted but I wasn't sticking around to be run over. He never did stop in. Moral of the story They should use some frickin commmon sense

SG
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, June 07, 2002 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That's funny. I had just left a Navy base (NAS North Island San Diego) and was still on Coronado Island. It was two in the morning, so I should have just run the damn thing. How far can you walk from your vehicle before it's considered abandoned? So if I see a cop stop in the middle of the street and get out (and I see it a lot), can I just go ahead and consider his squad car abandoned?
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Sportyeric
Posted on Tuesday, June 11, 2002 - 03:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sandman. What you're looking for is a line of tar in a square the width of the lane, which would have the sensor under it. I've heard that the best positioning to trip the sensor at a light is to stop directly above one of the lines, rather than dead centre in the middle of the square. The kickstand thing is supposed to work.
The Spotster.org List had a thread about a "rare earth magnet" being sold for $8 that you would hang under the bike to trigger the things.
I can't get out of my work place without help to trigger the gate and I doubt if management is gonna spend money on a service call just for me. I'm gonna try a magnet soon.
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, June 11, 2002 - 09:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"I can't get out of my work place without help to trigger the gate and I doubt if management is gonna spend money on a service call just for me."

They will, or they may just get rid of you or pass a rule saying no bikes allowed on the grounds. Basically, if you can't leave then you are a captive. Easy to make a big stink about it, but only if you have options if they decide to exclude instead of fix the problem.

Or just get someone in upper management riding a bike to work. Or get a bunch of people to start bicycling to work.
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Raymaines
Posted on Tuesday, June 11, 2002 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh, Mike.......

Most companies are happy to do something quick and easy that's also “PC” for a "valued employee" (that's you in this case).

They'll let you out, I promise. If they don't you can always just dirty bomb the fucking place.

Everything will be OK. Take a deep breath, Eric. Now, exhale. You feel better don't you.

Ol' Dirtbeard / Bonebreakers MC
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Rick_A
Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just got one for a dead tail light. Further inspection revealed that the tail light/signal/license plate mounting bracket broke in three places under the bolt. Guess that's what I get for not doing the usual pre-flight checklist.
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