| Author | Message | ||
     Davefl |
Victory is not 100% American. A lot of Euro parts in a Victory. I remember a Cycle world article when the Victory first came out that said that it was not more American than a Harley but it was less Japanese. | ||
| Court |
>>>Vrod engine is German, Buell is American, no can do man. I guess the HD enginners are not smart enough to design their own engine they have to go to the Germans. That's an entirely inaccurate statement. So is the one on the other page about a Ford GT dealing fits to a Porsche. Come into the daylight.......the facts are blinding. Also, on a rather personal front, and on behalf of some good friends at Buell, I take some offense to you "nationlistic" tone. I'm wondering how you sleep nights knowing that the HD has brakes from Japan? Many parts on the Buell (do Austalian wheels upset you to?) are made in other countries. Most the "American Made" (a term generally as accurate as "union made"  parts are engineered by Buell engineers who have come to America from other countries. We are damn proud and lucky to have them. By the way, if I see my friend Reiner (he's here from Germany as Chief Engineer on the Ford GT project), I'll pass on your thougths on the Ford. Court | ||
| Spiderman |
Yeah pass this on for me Court, The new GT is one of the badest cars ever put into mass production. Now drop the price so I can buy one. Or at least loan me one for the weekend LOL | ||
| Buelliedan |
No kidding about that Ford GT. I would give up all my Buells for a GT. | ||
| M1combat |
"Vrod engine is German, Buell is American, no can do man. I guess the HD enginners are not smart enough to design their own engine they have to go to the Germans." Not only is that inaccurate... It's also ignorant and seemingly inspired by something other than intelligence. It's called submission. If you have a quest that requires something be done right the first time and you don't have the experience necessary to feel completely comfortable doing it yourself... what are you to do? Submit. Take the task to someone who can help you do the job in a masterful manner. Not only does that entity get the recognition on a job well done, but when it comes time for you to take on another task with close to the same goals, you will most likely be FAR more confident, and will almost certainly end up more successful. True wisdom is learning from OTHER peoples mistakes... AND your own mistakes. | ||
| M1combat |
I'd prefer a GT-40 MKI w/ a well built 351C... I'm one of those guys that actually likes road noise  . Oh, and make it a right hand drive too. | ||
| Brucelee |
I don't think anyone is building (nor should they) a "pure product." To wit: The current supplier of transmissions for Porsche is ......Japanese!  | ||
| Court |
>>>No kidding about that Ford GT. I would give up all my Buells for a GT. Fellow here at work got one a couple months ago. He had to go to Michigan to get it and paid a healthy premium. But...they can be had. | ||
| Court |
>>>I don't think anyone is building (nor should they) a "pure product." well put. If you define "pure" and being mononationlist, that's akin to expecting Bach to work in one octave or taking 3 strings off a Stradivarius. It's the small and simple mind. If a proper team (I can show you one at Buell) is to be assembled, you have to have access to ALL resources. Court back in a bit....I have a meeting with two of the best power engineers in the USA.....both Polish...one from Warsaw, one from Krakow | ||
| Jlnance |
I see this thread pop up every now and again and I usualy don't respond, but there is something I want to say. It is a rather unconventional idea that something isn't made in America (or wherever) because the parts it was assembled from weren't made in America. I believe that Japan has to import something like 95% of the raw materials it uses because they just don't exist there. It is silly to suggest that this means things are not made in Japan. Things are made in Japan, and the Japaneese economy benifits from this. As to motorcycles, a XB9R is worth more than the parts that Buell purchased and used to create it. Buell has created wealth where it didn't exist before. That is what manufacturing is. | ||
| Mikej |
" a XB9R is worth more than the parts" If you were to go down to your local dealership, or even if you bought everything from Daves with his BadweB discount, it would cost more to buy the parts and build the bike from parts than it would to just buy a complete bike. If you were to shop around and buy a used bike, your could sell the parts off of it for more than you paid for the complete bike, if you got a good deal. Wait, you must be talking about that other definition of "worth". Nevermind. | ||
| Court |
Atctually...I don't know if it's still done, but soemone used to publish the price of cars, piece by piece. The published a "ratio", like 12.5:1 for the cost of the parts and the cost of the car. The last thing to be made stirctly in America is Americans and they are made with imported machines called parents grandparents. Court | ||
| Jlnance |
If you were to go down to your local dealership, or even if you bought everything from Daves Yea, but thats not where Buell is buying their parts. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Buell2001b, Umm, your airbox cover was molded with what is almost certainly a foreign tool(just a guess by the quality of some of the features on the inside of the cover). Does that then make the XB less desirable to you? Making something 100% American is just impossible these days, and financially suicidal. | ||
| M1combat |
That and the frame is made in Italy. Oh yeah... The brakes are Japanese. Oh yeah... The wheels are Enkei... Japanese as well. Designed and built in America though. | ||
| Nitsebes |
Fairlane Ford in Dearborn Has a GT in the showroom Red/white stripes.no price on the sticker/see sales person. | ||
| Roadsurfr |
I love the v-twin song be it Buell, Ducati, Moto-Guzzi, Honda, even my Vulcan. I still get goose-bumps when I think back to '83 and hearing those twins roaring around the banking at Daytona. Back then we frowned on the high revving two-strokes. Now I don't see alot of difference between those and the high revving inline-fours of today. The Buell has SOUL and it's got it in spades. When I'm on the highway I enjoy that sweet lulaby, in the curves, the jazz. Go ahead pull the head, ahh no coolant to drain. Twenty thousand miles no valve adjustment. What can I say? My kind of bike. | ||
| Anonymous |
There is a ton of stuff in the Victory from overseas, far more than a Harley. Heck, even the crankshafts come from Italy! | ||
| Thepup |
I guess everyone should get rid of their cars and go buy old VW Beetles,these new fangled cars are so complicated with their water cooling and all.I would take a revo powered Buell in a NY minute.I bet the engineers at Buell could lighten up a revo engine with no problem.Here is something no one has mentioned,why not liquid cool the current Buell engine,maybe 4 valve heads,you can have a watercooled pushrod engine,the Corvette has them,why not Buell.Buell sales would probably go thru the roof with a new engine,new buyers would look at them and current owners would look to upgrade to the new engine,I know there would be a few exceptions,if they keep the same engine,why buy a new one. | ||
| Keith |
Pup, I'm curious: why do you want a water cooled engine? I would like to see Buell offer an engine in the XB frame (or something very similar) with a higher rev limit but still air cooled. The Ducati 1000 SS motor comes to mind as an example... | ||
| Thepup |
Oh I don't know,more power with more reliability.Not saying the current Xb engine is not reliable,you can just get more power out of a watercooled without compromising reliability. | ||
| Josh_ |
>Oh I don't know,more power with more reliability Sure, with a water pump to fail, radiator to knock holes in, hoses to leak, not to mention needing to add weight (other than the water, radiator and water jacket) for the catalytic converter and AIR pump the water-cooled bikes need. | ||
| Chris_mackay |
Hmmm... It seems that cooling is the limiting factor. Perhaps by increasing oil capacity.... | ||
| Court |
Sirpup: You have piqued my curiosity with this statement: >>> I don't know,more power with more reliability Help me out and name for me one motorcycle that is MORE reliable than the current Buell XB series. Thanks, Court | ||
| Boxjoint |
I'll chime in- No I would not want an XB with a V-Rod motor. I am with Keith. Just smooth out the current mill and give it a little more rev range and smoother shifting. I'd own one. | ||
| Thepup |
Court, please re read my post,I said nothing about the lack of reliability of the XB | ||
| Thepup |
"Sure, with a water pump to fail, radiator to knock holes in, hoses to leak, not to mention needing to add weight (other than the water, radiator and water jacket) for the catalytic converter and AIR pump the water-cooled bikes need." Is your current car watercooled,do you worry about these issues with it. | ||
| Grndskpr |
Help me out and name for me one motorcycle that is MORE reliable than the current Buell XB series Where does one find fact reguarding which bike is more or less reliable, JD Powers list helmets and cars, but no bike Please pass along a link so we can take a look and see, seems like it could be a usfull tool thanks R | ||
| Coolice |
Build it with the radiator under the seat like the Britten and it will rock! | ||
| Glitch |
All I know is, mine goes when I want it to go. I don't have to worry about much, other than oil changes, and gas. Sure I had a stator fail at 20thousand miles, but that was an easy fix under warranty. Over 30thousand now, and I still don't worry about much, except I've realized how many sets of tires all those miles mean. I like the engine. I love the bike. |
