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Jolly
Posted on Friday, September 14, 2018 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As you guys install these I’d probably(?) use red loctite for the return spring pin.... I don’t think you ever want to take that out, or work it’s way out.

Thread that in once by itself, it’s a tight tolerance fit, then loctite (of your choice) for install

Post some photos when done!!
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Jolly
Posted on Monday, September 17, 2018 - 06:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1st one installed!

https://www.facebook.com/987908121219341/posts/215 8455707497904/
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F_stop
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2018 - 01:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi all. Was lucky to snag 1 of the piggyback sideplate kickstand mods from Jolly, and took him up on his offer to supply the stand itself, etc. Finally got it installed about 10 days ago, great quality and design. This will be my 1st attempt at attaching some pix.
more vertical

looks great,almost like stock
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F_stop
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2018 - 01:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Note to self--resize pics even smaller next time!
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Williamscottrobertson
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2018 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Finally put mine on. I did it with the plate installed on the bike with a 12v cordless hacksaw and a dremel. Took about an hour and a half with the kids interrupting me lol.







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Ebutch
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2018 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Two Very Sharp S2's !!!!!!!!!
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Essmjay
Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2018 - 04:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like that my ex #1192 and your #1193 are both Yellow Jacket Pearl. Looking good!
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Tripper
Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2019 - 09:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok so what’s the trick to getting the spring on?
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Williamscottrobertson
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2019 - 01:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I use a philips screwdriver. Extend the kickstand. Hook the spring to the plate, put the screwdriver in the other end of the spring. Put the screwdriver on the kickstand spring peg and lever it a little to stretch the spring, then continue to lever - sliding tbe spring down the screwdriver until you can pull out the screwdriver and the spring seats in tbe groove. It’s not easy, always takes me a few tries.
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Ebutch
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2019 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RE3NAVpAwA
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Tripper
Posted on Friday, February 08, 2019 - 10:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well that was easy. Using a combination of the suggestions above it took me 5 minutes. That spring sure did damage to 8 pennies. A little grinding was required to let the stand retract without interference. Tomorrow I will mount it to the bike. Finish grinding to the sideplate required and drill one hole.
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Williamscottrobertson
Posted on Saturday, February 09, 2019 - 08:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, mine binds in the up position, I thought it was just the powder coat making it thicker. I may grind on mine a bit too.
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Jolly
Posted on Saturday, February 09, 2019 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here is the challenge I found myself n while working with these parts and others as I tried to improve original design... tolerances in original mfg created the need for a tolerance in the part. this is not something specific to Buell, however, these tolerances were a little more loose at times than in other manufacturing processes.

The kickstand tolerances were not extreme by any means, only subtle, but it required a capability in the machined part to accept any kickstand from any mfg batch of kickstand spread across the year range of 1998 - 2002...

I wanted to stick with Buell kickstands to keep the part and the fix within a Buell sourced part.

The S2 kickstand is a block at the pivot point which means its insert dimension and its pivot dimension are equal dimensions. the new style kickstand had to have an open slot for the pivot but then close back down to the dimension of the kickstand tube/leg for the kickstand. it was best to set the tight dimension at the extension and the retraction points with the insertion point in the center. The only other option would have been to design the point with a cap that bolted over the kickstand once it was set in place then bolt the close out cap over it, in this design option the pivot arc cold be one single dimension to just clearance the kickstand itself without having to accomodate the dimension of the pivot pin tube, however it would have added to bulk and complexity and clearly not a clean design. the strength or pull of the spring that keeps the kickstand "locked" forward is what pulls the kickstand down against the rear slot as it retracts. I had thought about setting that bottom edge as more of a ramp, but the tolerances differences in the kickstands and the coating used was enough of a tolerance difference that I decided to keep it more of a slot. for some, it might require a small hand file to round off the edge of the bottom of the retraction slot into slightly more of a ramp, but you will want to only slightly change this as you want the kickstand secure in the channel.
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Bsanorton
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2020 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry, new to S2's. Always had 99's to 02' tubers. I just came home with one because the price was so low. How can I purchase this mod?
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Williamscottrobertson
Posted on Friday, February 21, 2020 - 10:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jolly (David Ellingson) may have one or two left, not sure. PM me and I can send you his phone #.
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Bsanorton
Posted on Saturday, February 22, 2020 - 03:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thank you. David reached out to me.
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Williamscottrobertson
Posted on Saturday, February 22, 2020 - 07:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Awesome!
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Bsanorton
Posted on Saturday, February 22, 2020 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Had a wonderful conversion with Dave. Brought this novice with S2's up to speed, lol!
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Bsanorton
Posted on Saturday, February 22, 2020 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Had a wonderful conversion with Dave. Brought this novice with S2's up to speed, lol!
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Williamscottrobertson
Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2020 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, it’s a shame how low value these bikes are and it makes owners think the parts are cheap to manufacture or should be... as you may be noticing, the kickstand fix is cheap compared to sourcing or repairing/repainting bodywork lol
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Jolly
Posted on Monday, February 24, 2020 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Shipped today, you should have it Wednesday!
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Bsanorton
Posted on Monday, February 24, 2020 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Excellent, can't wait to get the metal working tools out, lol! Thanks again
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Bsanorton
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2020 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Almost done



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Bsanorton
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2020 - 07:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Almost ready to bolt on....

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Kc_zombie
Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2020 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Love the coin idea, well played!
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4speeder
Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2020 - 06:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Back in the day we used to open up hood springs that way to get them back on. We put one end of the spring in the vise then pulled it one direction and stacked large flat washers in the coils then pulled the spring back the other direction and stacked washers on the opposite side. After a couple rounds of this the springs were long enough to put back on the hood hinges.
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Bsanorton
Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2020 - 07:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Before (with a 1" square piece of iron bolted to the foot of the old kickstand).


After:


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E30bradley
Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I’m interested, are any still available?
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Jolly
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2020 - 01:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe I have at least one more, I will check tomorrow.
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Jhbuell
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2020 - 03:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I’m interested in one Jolly, do you have any more?
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