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Magspecial
Posted on Saturday, December 26, 2020 - 10:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi everyone. Any suggestions will be appreciated.

Here are the symptoms.

1)Ignition in off (1st) position - Clock works.
2)Ignition in center (2nd) position - Clock, tail and brake lights work. I didn't check other lights.
3)Ignition to start/run (3rd) position - Clock stops, lights go out as soon as I turn the key to the start/run position. No change when I push the starter button.

Work so far. Checked ignition switch, all fuses, starter relay, kill switch, and starter button and all test okay.

Any suggestions on what to do next will be appreciated.
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Buellbum
Posted on Saturday, December 26, 2020 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

you have a bad battery connection. clean battery terminals.
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Magspecial
Posted on Sunday, December 27, 2020 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I forgot to mention that. The battery and battery connections were the first things I checked.
Thank you for the feedback.
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Hawgford
Posted on Sunday, December 27, 2020 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

sounds like the key switch failed. just keep tracing the power back
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Buellbum
Posted on Sunday, December 27, 2020 - 10:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

did you check your battery amperage output? any autoparts can do this for you.
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Akbuell
Posted on Sunday, December 27, 2020 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If your bike is anything like my X-1 (brother with different parents) there are 3 wires to the ignition switch. If so, try bypassing the ignition switch at the connector, and see if things work as they should. If so, the switch is the issue.

Hope this helps, Dave
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99cyclone
Posted on Sunday, December 27, 2020 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My '98 S1W switch has done that intermittently a few times over the years. Each time it has been after the bike has sat for a significant period of time (at least 6 mo). Working the switch a couple times has fixed it, I've assumed it's light corrosion on contacts within the switch.
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Falloutnl
Posted on Sunday, December 27, 2020 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"If your bike is anything like my X-1 (brother with different parents) there are 3 wires to the ignition switch. If so, try bypassing the ignition switch at the connector, and see if things work as they should. If so, the switch is the issue.

Hope this helps, Dave"


This is what the problem was on my X1.
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89rs1200
Posted on Sunday, December 27, 2020 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I love tubular keys, but the electrical internals of Harley-Davidson switches are troublesome.
1) Ensure completely turned off. They can stay on and drain your battery.
2) I have had to solder a wire back on the the back of one switch.
3) Spraying plenty of electrical contact cleaner in through the key way and turning multiple times can help.
4) support for wires out the back are week. Wire could be broken some distance from the switch.

While at it, With the age, there could be 0.5V to 1.0V voltage drop across the switch and connector. This can cause the stator or voltage regulator to burn out.
Clean the connector by pulling apart several times. Use contact cleaner, then coat contacts with White Lithium grease.
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Magspecial
Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 - 08:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thank you everyone for the feedback. Problem solved with a new battery even though the I had changed it two months before.

When I first had the problem I checked the battery and it appeared to be okay. When I had it draw tested they said the charge was low but that was all it needed. The battery was new this summer. After receiving the feedback from the forum I had it tested again and was told it needed replaced.... No charge thankfully. Hooked everything up and it works fine.

I also ended up replacing the ignition switch. I used a Drag Specialities because the cost is $100+ less than OEM. Technically I think I could have kept the original ignition switch, but the new one gives a more positive engagement.

Thanks again.
Mike
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Buellbum
Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The first rule of auto mechanics is to check the simple stuff FIRST.

i knew it was your battery because i had a poor ground connection and it did the exact same thing. i cut a copper penny in-half to make the terminal fit flush on the battery post.
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Upthemaiden
Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 - 07:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good thing you happened to catch it this late in the season. You could've parked the bike for winter, found it in spring with a dead battery and gotten stuck paying for another out of pocket.
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