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Upthemaiden
Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 09:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Quick question while I'm fighting with my exhaust...

I know the procedure is to loosen everything up, attach it all, and then start tightening things up from the heads down to the end of the exhaust...

Are all the exhaust brackets set up for the same dimensions? I know there's the difference between the old front exhaust mount and the upgraded Y bracket. I know I've seen some different rear Z-brackets. Mine has a rectangle cut out of it, some have more of a + sign cutout. Some of the exhausts have tabs welded to the rear of the exhaust, some have a metal bracket/straps that wrap around the whole exhaust. Are all of the brackets interchangeable with all of the exhausts, or are there certain ones that need to be paired up to make it work properly?

I'm trying to swap my V&H exhaust with a stock exhaust, while at the same time replacing my old front mount with a newer Y-braket, and of course have to replace the rear mount with the Z bracket. I sourced all 3 parts from different places, and am having no luck getting them to line up. Before I keep fighting with the alignment, I just wanted to make sure there isn't a chance I have a mismatched set of brackets that won't let things line up for some reason.
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Dave
Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 09:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"... and then start tightening things up from the heads down to the end of the exhaust ...

Not answering your question ... but I take multiple snug to torque passes by hanging everything & gradually snug fasteners starting with the header & front mount working to the muffler mounts. I'd never tighten the header then work my way down ... but that's just me. (Not broken anything yet with my S3 45K miles, Uly w/24K & other Buells of misc miles)

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Upthemaiden
Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I unfortunately didn't get to loosen up the exhaust studs to see if it would help. I looked at them, they looked a little rough, and this late in the riding season I knew if I tried to loosen them up, I would've ended up snapping one of them just out of pure bad luck, so that's the only thing in the system I left tight. For now I'm going to just leave the V&H on so I can finish out the season, then once I park the bike for winter I'll try again.
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Soak the bolts with plenty of penetration oil and try loosing them back and forth.
Don't force anything at all!

If things or brackets don't line up with each other you could file the slot or hole a bit more.
Also if you use some exhaust clamps it's easy to have them line up with holes and engine brackets.

If i may say ,the Maz exhaust bracket is the best solution. (UKbeg buell forum)
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Upthemaiden
Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Currently this is what I'm working with. Too far apart to file any holes bigger, and I can't really get any clamps on the exhaust because the current tabs are welded on, and I don't think it's worth cutting them off this early in the game.





The 97 parts manual shows different brackets, and based on the marks on my exhaust, it looks like these are what my exhaust was previously mounted with...





I'm thinking for now, I may just get some steel and make some straight brackets like what's in the service manual just to get things moving, then see if I can sort out this bracket later. Does anyone here happen to have any of the brackets shows in the 97 service manual or one that looks more like the one in the 98 parts manual(with the + shaped cutout shown below) just to give me a measurement on the length from one hole to the other, so I'll know if it's purely an incompatible bracket, or if it's actually an alignment issue with my exhaust...





Definitely won't be forcing anything. I'll spray down the exhaust studs, maybe pick up some of that Kroil penetration oil I keep hearing people talk about lately, heat up the nuts, and try to work them off slowly. Like I said, that'll wait until riding season is over, just on the chance that I do manage to break one.
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I thought that the bracket you mentioned in the 98 parts manual was the z bracket!?

I think i have one bracket like that i can measure for you.
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 02:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Some pics of the maz exhaust bracket
http://ukbeg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=19109&s tart=45
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Oopezoo
Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 02:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is pretty close to the headache I ran into with the exhaust on my S1. I started with a stock 2" header and a Borla muffler that was poorly mounted by the previous owner. I went through all sorts of combinations of sh*t in order to get it acceptably mounted. Nothing lined up correctly and it was a complete PITA every step of the way.

I contemplated going back to stock, but good luck finding a reasonably priced stock 2" muffler to match my header. Yet 2.5" mufflers appear to be plentiful and cheap, but good luck finding a 2.5" header from an S1W to go with it.

Long story, short.....I can't help much. Good luck, I understand the frustration you are going through.
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Upthemaiden
Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 02:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Maz bracket looks really nice, but it wouldn't work on my stock exhaust. Only the race exhausts have the header there. On mine the exhaust has welded tabs that fit right into the exhaust mount. The little brackets on the rear of the exhaust are what I think I need to make though.

I might've been getting confused with years and brackets. The rear bracket I have is this one...





That one is listed by St. Paul HD with part #S0115.G and lists it for 98-02 Buells.
https://st-paul-harley-davidson-buell.myshopify.com/products/s0115-g-genuine-buell-muffler-mount-z-bracket-98-02-tubers-b2l

This is the style that's shown in the 1998 parts manual, and is listed on ebay for a 98 S3.





http://www.ebay.com/itm/Buell-Muffler-Hanger-Exhaust-Bracket-/282686916071?hash=item41d17405e7:g:HaQAAOSwnHZYgjLy&vxp=mtr

I'll try emailing him and seeing if he can measure the distance between the mounting holes for me to compare. Crazy someone would want $20 for a broken rusty bracket!

Lastly are these, which I believe are the pieces I need, and are what's shown in the 97 service manual, and come with an even crazier price than the broken rusty bracket! They say they're for the race exhaust but appears to be the same idea, although the dimensions might be different.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Buell-early-REAR-muffler-support-hanger-tabs-FROM-RACE-EXHAUST-1994-2002-/282304605334



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Pontlee77
Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 04:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The last one pictured will work and make life far easier
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can measure both for you ,only have to find them first!
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Upthemaiden
Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2017 - 07:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree, I think for now I'm going to make some like in the last picture. The ones on ebay are $38 + $8 for shipping, so I'll just chop some up myself.

Brother_in_buells... I'd appreciate it! The guy on ebay sent me pictures of bracket with the + cutout, but the pictures weren't very clear and actually made that bracket look shorter than the one I have.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2017 - 11:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They have some serious balls charging that much!!
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S1owner
Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2017 - 03:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That would be buell stripper David Uden out of Nebraska he snatches up any and I mean any buells and strips them to sell the parts. I will never buy from him!!!
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Oddalloy
Posted on Thursday, October 12, 2017 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have one of the brackets and it looks like a match to the last image posted above. In my 96/97 S1 parts book, the p/n is 65333-94YA "Support,Muffler".

It's stainless steel, #10 gauge (I measure 0.135" thick), 2.8125" long:



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Gmaple
Posted on Friday, October 13, 2017 - 03:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I appreciate anyone offering Buell parts for sale....hopefully these parts can be used to keep our scoots on the road. Now back to the muffler bracket thread.
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Upthemaiden
Posted on Friday, October 13, 2017 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

aah very thorough picture, I appreciate it! That'll be very useful.

I spent a few minutes getting my bike back together last night since I've had to drive the truck the past few days. That bolt/bracket right by the oil pressure sensor is a hassle! I can't even imaging how much such a sad looking bracket could really be doing.
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S1owner
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2017 - 03:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If someone needs these made I can make them from the above drawing for cheap
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Oddalloy
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2017 - 08:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just noticed an error... the 3/4" radius on each corner should be a 3/8" radius.
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Red93stang
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2017 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Funny I have had these drawn out in CAD for years. I have cut a few for my bike-bikes since I bought race kits and they were missing. I can see what I can do if people need them. Buell had two different versions, the ones used on the early bikes S2's were just a little different than the ones used in the race kits. But they all work the same.

(Message edited by Red93stang on October 20, 2017)
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1313
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2017 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just noticed an error... the 3/4" radius on each corner should be a 3/8" radius.

Thanks for the sanity check! I thought it was just me...
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Red93stang
Posted on Monday, October 30, 2017 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got a few quotes back and of course itís just like anything else, the more you order the cheaper they get. Are you guys wanting the hardware with these as well?

(Message edited by Red93stang on October 30, 2017)
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S1owner
Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can probably get 10 pair or so cut out on the water jet at work and drill them at home wouls be pretty cheap. Probably $10 -15 per pair guessing!
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Upthemaiden
Posted on Friday, November 03, 2017 - 07:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was moving some stuff around the garage, and pulled the aluminum swingarm out of the box that I bought a while back, and was surprised to see it actually came with the exhaust bracket, which I wasn't previously aware of. I noticed when I looked at it that someone had put on a little extension on one of the bolts. I'm not sure if an aftermarket exhaust was designed to work that way, or someone else had a stock exhaust that wasn't lining up with the bracket, but it made me feel slightly less crazy knowing I need something similar and someone else was already dealing with the problem haha.



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