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Brentx1
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 - 12:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, I finally put a battery in the S1 that hasn't been operational for a few years. Turned on the key, pushed the ignition button, one click from the starter, then nothing. I checked the starter relay and ignition relay per the manual. Both are good. I am wondering if maybe the starter solenoid might be stuck. Any ideas? Do I need to pull off the Primary to check?
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 - 08:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is the big fat wire from the battery making it to the starter OK?
I sounds like the bendix/solenoid is clunking but the contacts are not allowing juice to the big motor.
If the wire is on there tight and the fat wire reads a healthy 12V, I would pop off the solenoid cap and look at the contacts/copper ring thing.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Disconnect the battery before you remove the solenoid cap. The plunger is spring loaded and will pop out at you, contacting chassis ground along the way.

It has been my experience that one of the side contacts erodes at a greater rate than the other. This causes the plunger to try to rock sideways in the bore. It can tolerate some delta in the height of the contacts, but at some point the ring contact on the plunger simply ceases to make contact. Rebuild kits are cheap, and you don't need to remove the starter to swap them out. It does take a stubby wrench and a lot of patience though.
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Brentx1
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 - 11:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks. I will pick up a rebuild kit and dig into it tonight.
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Skntpig
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have found that those relays can work on a check with a meter but they can be weak. I fixed a similar issue with 2 new relays.
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S1owner
Posted on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Since its been sitting awhile take a wood handle or mallet and knock on the starter and selinoid. Its not uncommon for them to stick from age
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Gobadgers
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2016 - 02:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As strange as it may sound, I had similar symptoms you describe and went through numerous things to even replacing with new starter, and it turned out to be the cable off the positive was in too close proximity to the metal strap holding the battery. Somehow it was bleeding off power to the starter. Check to see if your battery strap gets warm/hot when you attempt to start; an indication of shorting.

I am by no means an expert, but I did get help and resolved my problem about a year ago. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?47623/771405
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Harleyelf
Posted on Friday, April 01, 2016 - 03:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't forget the signal wire to the starter. When you're in there tracing the big wire to the battery you can dislodge the small wire with the back of your hand.
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