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Motrhead
Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2015 - 03:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My X1 was hard to shift into 2nd when I got it, still has stock shifter, and usually to get neutral I have to reach down and pull up the lever by hand, but normally 1st is no trouble. To get 2nd I have to be accelerating briskly. This morning it didn't want to shift up, and when I did get 2nd it didn't want to go back into 1st. 2 and up and down is fine. I am partway through the archives and haven't found this problem yet. Can someone save me some troubleshooting?
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Hughlysses
Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2015 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The first thing I'd do is check the primary chain adjustment. There are plenty of other things it could be, but that's a possible culprit and easy to check and adjust if necessary.
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Motrhead
Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2015 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This feels solid, like something is blocking the lever from moving. It will not come up out of first. I just rode home from down town in first...lol. I will check the chain, but I am pretty sure this is something else.
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Motrhead
Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2015 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a funny feeling that this is not going to be that simple...Plate is going on my Guzzi until I figure this out. :-(
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Jolly
Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2015 - 07:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Guzzi?????

2000 Moto Guzzi V11
1997 Moto Guzzi 1100 sport



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Mhlunsford
Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2015 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My M2 was like that. You can try shifting but holding the shifter up until you feel the gear engage. I would recommend looking at the shift fork.My guess is that it is slightly bent and not moving far enough to engage the second gear.
You can also look at the paw adjustment.
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Oldfartnbuell
Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2015 - 09:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"plate is going on my guzzi"
You mean you can have several bikes and need only one plate? I Need to move to Canada!
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2015 - 09:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Make sure all three clutch/primary adjustments are correct - primary chain tension, clutch cable slack, and clutch hub adjustment.
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Motrhead
Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2015 - 10:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My number one baby is an 03 Guzzi V11 Sport...titanium race exhaust and crossover, Power Commander and K&N with a dyno tune...faster than any 2 valve Guzzi has a right to be!
But I put the plate on the '11 Stelvio. It has 105 hp, so it's not really slow either...lol
I had to pay to transfer the plate...we don't have fleet insurance. I have dozens of bikes (I am a hoarder, and am in full mid-life crisis mode...hence the Buell...lol) and fleet insurance would be the answer to my prayers.
I think the XLCR has a sloppy exhaust rocker, or I would have licensed it first. I have some work cut out for me.

(Message edited by motrhead on March 03, 2015)

(Message edited by motrhead on March 03, 2015)
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Motrhead
Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2015 - 10:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can't get second now. The lever just stops solid.
Clutch slack is good. I will check the primary tomorrow. I think it is shift fork/selector/drum
related.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2015 - 12:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Could also be the detent plate. I believe that if the clip has come out that it can really hose up shifting.
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Motrhead
Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2015 - 12:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's kind of what I was hoping. I will pull it apart some time this week.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2015 - 12:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Having snatched my transmission out recently, it was a lot easier than I thought it would be.

Worth a primary gasket and a quart of Formula+ to crack it open and see what's what.

Hopefully it's something simple.
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Mhlunsford
Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2015 - 01:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

if you find your self starting to take the trans apart, take pictures first,labels ect. The manual is not clear enough to put it back together.

Check the clip that holds the detent in place. At one point I created my own. There is also a update to the detent plate with a A in the part number.

if you pull it the trans you will need a plate to hold the clutch and primary you can buy one or get a heavy duty shelve bracket and cut it to fit between the two gears.
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Motrhead
Posted on Thursday, April 23, 2015 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So at long last I got the primary cover off the X1, and there was the primary tensioner laying in the bottom in 2 pieces, and of course there are some nice grooves in the top of the cover. I split the shift lever in the process (with a very small screwdriver!),but new parts will be in tomorrow, and I will be riding a Buell again this weekend!
I still have to drill a stripped bolt out of the chain inspection cover...which is why I didn't check the chain in the first place...that was a previous owners doing.
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Harleyelf
Posted on Thursday, April 23, 2015 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had a similar issue with my '89 XLH. Turned out to be the thrust washer on the layshaft was .030" and needed to be .035".
You take the gear cluster out and check with a straight edge. Fifty cent part.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, April 23, 2015 - 01:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Glad you figured it out and that damage wasn't worse. Pre-2001 primary shoe was flimsy and prone to breaking like that. Current part is updated and much thicker. The X1 Files page has some info; it's about 1/4 way down in the right column:

http://thex1files.com/
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, April 23, 2015 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

LOL Motrhead. That reads like a history of my 2000 M2. I did the exact same things in the exact same order.
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Motrhead
Posted on Thursday, April 23, 2015 - 09:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wish I had ripped into it a lot sooner, but having a garage full of bikes lets me procrastinate...LOL Now I can hardly wait to get this thing back together. Very soon!
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Motrhead
Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2015 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

so I changed the tensioner, tried shifting it as it sat with the cover off, and it seemed to get second...put it back together (destroyed new primary gasket in the process), but didn't put the exhaust on...and still no second gear. I can get neutral and that is it. So back in I go...lol
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Motrhead
Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2015 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Plate is going on the Guzzi LeMans until I can figure this out.
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Steveford
Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2015 - 05:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Look in the service manual under shifter pawl adjustment.
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Jim2
Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2015 - 08:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To avoid splitting the shift lever (next time), you can use a household sink faucet puller available at any Hardware store. I keep one in my toolbox.

http://www.generaltools.com/assets/images/180L.jpg

(Message edited by jim2 on May 05, 2015)
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Motrhead
Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2015 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

no service manual. Haven't seen one online for my bike...Sportser the same I assume?
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Two_seasons
Posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2015 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can buy Field Service and Parts Manuals from American Sport Bike...
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Pikeben08
Posted on Wednesday, May 06, 2015 - 10:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are you rotating the drive train when you are trying to shift? If the engine is off the dogs could be lined up preventing it from going into gear.
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Motrhead
Posted on Wednesday, May 06, 2015 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, I tried it with the engine running.
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