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Mikethediabetic
Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2014 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok guys this isnt really Buell related but I know you are very knowledgeable and this should be easy for ya, I hope. So here it is, I have a friend with a 09 Sportster XR1200. Kinda looks like a street tracker type thing.
Anyways last fall he told me that he was winterizing it and running it out of gas. Im sure you can tell where this is going. I guess he didnt know it was injected and he just let it idle and idle and idle until it "ran out of gas".
Well it obviously didnt run out of gas and he said that it all of a sudden started making a tapping/knocking noise and fluids started coming out. Thats when he shut it down and thats where it sits.
Now since i do all my own work he asked my if i would see if i could fix it. He is offering me a pretty sweet trade for the work so i am definitely interested.
My question is, how bad do you think it is, and what where should i start. I know he just let the bike overheat and then it just started puking itself. But i wasn't there to hear the noises or see the fluids. Just going off what he told me.
Please help if you can Badwebbers! Thanks
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Kc_zombie
Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2014 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Change the oil (do not turn over without changing the oil first). Remove the plugs and turn the engine over by hand. If it is free then turn the motor over with the starter (without plugs) to get oil pressure. If the oil light goes out, then put in the plugs, gas it up and fire it up.

The knocking sound my have been the ECM shutting down a cylinder as part of a heat management system (if equipped).

That would be my approach, others may not agree...
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Mikethediabetic
Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2014 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was thinking the same thing. I dont think that anything catastrophic happened. How would you turn the engine over by hand? pull plugs and push the bike in gear?
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2014 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't think the XL motor has cylinder deactivation, only the big twins...

I agree with the above post for procedure, with one amendment. Check the old oil for metal. If there is...just quit there.

Any idea how long he let it sit and idle??
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Mikethediabetic
Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2014 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree with the metal in oil test. and i have no idea how long he let it sit and idle. Anything else i should do?
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Jefc73
Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2014 - 01:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Vince your alive! lol
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Buellish
Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2014 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

" How would you turn the engine over by hand?" Jack up the rear end and rotate the back tire in 5th gear with the spark plugs out.
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Mikethediabetic
Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2014 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Buellish, thats what i figured as much. wasnt sure about the gear tho.
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Buellish
Posted on Wednesday, August 27, 2014 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's much easier to turn in 5th.I use this method to hit the timing marks on my Guzzi for valve adjustment.
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Buellrobot
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2014 - 01:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Would metal in oil be immediately obvious, or more likely to just show up on the drain plug?
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Smoke
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2014 - 07:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

there is a heat sensor in the rear head for overtemp. oil drain plug is a plastic plug in a rubber tube that runs from the oil tank through the engine case and hangs down in front of the rear wheel. the primary drain plug on the bottom rear of the primary cover is magnetic but you shouldn't have to mess with it. remove old fuel, spark plugs, fresh fuel, change oil. spin motor by hand on rear stand if available. spin motor with starter. install plugs and crank it up.
go for a ride.
depending on time since run, you might bleed the brakes and put fresh fluid there too.
tim
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Lynrd
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2014 - 09:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oil in the metal all add a silvery color (aluminum, steel) or a gold color (bronze) to the oil. Only steel will stick to the drain plug.

A little bit of that with a fresh engine can be expected. After the engine is broken in, not so much.

You can also cut open the olde oil filter for inspection - bigger bits and more bits can be in there.
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