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Bikerrides
Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2013 - 07:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I recently bought a M2 chassis (frame, forks, engine mount, swingarm, rear wheel) at a junk yard for $35. I'd really like to build a bike either using a sportster or Buell engine.

I'm curious if anyone has ever put an XB9 or 12 engine in a tuber. If so, post pics so I can get ideas.
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Rsm688
Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2013 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Probably a lot more work that it's worth, just find you a used tuber motor and put it in there. You can take the heads from an XB motor and put them on the tuber motor if you want. It would be a ton of fab work and money to make anything else work
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Stev0
Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2013 - 08:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

if you wish to put an XB swingarm on it and are capable of doing any tube welding needed then it may be possible.

BUT it's going to be a lot of work..

and 883/1200 evo sporty motor is another option.
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Bikerrides
Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2013 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Whats the best way to check the VIN to see if it can be titled?
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2013 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

contact your DMV
35 is cheap man, dang id like to have found that deal
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46champ
Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2013 - 12:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does it still have a Vin # on it. Don't be surprised that the Vin now belongs to a chopper and that is where the engine went. Please post back when you find out if you bought a bike or a bunch of parts that are connected together. With the number of tubers that have been chopped I think this is not an unheard of thing to find for sale.

If you can build a bike out of this roller and you need an engine just bite the bullet and get an S&S 100 inch motor you would be the only one in town with one.

(Message edited by 46champ on August 08, 2013)
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Bikerrides
Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2013 - 06:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It does have a VIN on it; I figured it would've been ground off. I bought it for the rear rotor, which looks nearly brand new and I needed for my S3.

With a new rotor going for roughly $100, I've already made money. If I don't build a bike, there are a few hundred dollars worth of parts remaining, not including the rotor.

I forgot to put in my original post that there was also a gas tank w/the bike. When my brother sent me the pic and said it was $35, I said get it! After looking at it this past Sunday, I have been thinking about a build. :-)
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2013 - 07:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hell of a deal just for the parts.
One thing it probably didn't come with is the rear engine mount. I'll wager that was lost along the way.
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Onespeedpaul
Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2013 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

just a couple scenarios on titles:

you really have no idea if the title went with the engine to a chopper build, and it's hard to say if there is a national VIN database to do a title search just in case the VIN/title was used with the motor.

Junkyards usually put liens on vehicles they tow or have abandoned to "officially" change ownership to their business, so there is a good chance the junkyard could get you a title...probably cost you a couple hundred bucks but well worth it.

Your state may also issue a "bonded" titles, meaning you have a bond made up for the value of the vehicle that the state holds for usually 3-5 years and if no one contests the ownership of vehicle, or any contests are cleared up during that time, then the state returns the bond and issues a plain title.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2013 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wonder if it'd show up on a "Carfax" or similar title search?
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2013 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If some chopper tool was able to title his "custom" motorcycle with the Buell engine, couldn't you also do the same thing with whatever engine is found?

So the chopper fella has a 2001 Buell M2
and your Buell is a 2002 XLH1200.

That could work, right?
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Onespeedpaul
Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2013 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

@naxexlh1000, the thing about that is the title doesn't necessarily go with the engine per-se, it's that the potential chopper fella would have just kept the title and stamped the rigid no-number frame with the VIN on the title and register/tag it as an M2 or whatever's on the title...a 17 digit VIN is usually only ever stamped on the frame only, sure the engine gets a serial number, but it could be anything, even less or more total digits, but that info is never on a title except maybe california...

The facts are that nobody knows the status of the title until the junkyard is contacted...it could have been a repossession by one of those fly-by-night bike lots that self-finance and the engine was already gone and no paperwork recovered, or bought by the junkyard, maybe even stolen at some point then the motor punted off....again, only the junkyard might know, or be able to get a title for it with the least amount of fuss....

to the OP, one other thing you could do if you slapped a motor in it and wanted a tag for it to be legal, buy a frame with title off ebay and swap frames or numbers....I personally would check with the junkyard first, then either just part the rest out or get a title by bonding or another whole frame or even just the steering neck with numbers as long as it's got papers...
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2013 - 04:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Your state should be able to work with you to get something done to get it titled. After all, the state is only interested in collecting the tax, not that the vehicle may have a sordid past.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2013 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

SC seems to be pretty lenient about this kind of stuff; hopefully you can work it out.
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Tll130
Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2013 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you live in NYS good luck here it is near impossible to work with the DMV they are just about the worst lol. But I wish you luck it's a great find if you are planning a buying a new engine for it you should put a 100" S&S LOL.
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Bikerrides
Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2013 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

According to the free VIN checks online, it isn't stolen or been totaled. So, I hope it can be titled, if I do a build. Of course, I will make sure before I do anything.

My brother has a machine/blacksmith shop and has done several custom 4x4 builds, so the fab work would not be an issue no matter what kind of power goes in it.

If I could do a cool build for $1500-$2000 or less, I would probably jump on it. Any thoughts on what it could realistically cost?
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Lynrd
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2013 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The big chunks are all there for a great price. To turn it back into a motorcycle will mean finding an engine. From experience - it's usually actually cheaper in the long run to buy a whole bike than a separated engine. Which of course negates the need to build this one. With this chassis at such a great price, though, building up an engine or getting one from Pinwall might work out.

By the time you get into all the small parts - pulley , belt, brakes, electrical crap, etc you probably are going to be close to the price that an assembled bike would run in the current brutal resale market - I bought a running S3T for $1000 earlier this year - but that does not account that for some people, myself included, part of ownership is the experience of the build. It's not all about the money, after all.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2013 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You should totally put a bone stock 883 engine in that.

42HP yeahhhh!
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Onespeedpaul
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2013 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the sad thing is, a bone stock 883 motor is usually worth as much as an M2 motor on the second hand market, $1000-$1500....
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S1owner
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2013 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think you should by a redneck chopper orca barron and take tge engine and parts from it then find a chopper site and sell all the chopper parts!!
Payback fellas!!!!
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Onespeedpaul
Posted on Saturday, August 10, 2013 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

haha, good payback for sure!!
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S1owner
Posted on Sunday, August 11, 2013 - 09:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Damn fat fingers!!!
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Monday, August 12, 2013 - 09:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yeah! payback! yeah sell them parts to get their choppers going - THAT'LL SHOW EM!
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Lynrd
Posted on Monday, August 12, 2013 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can think of no greater punishment than having to ride around on a rigid frame, solid mount Sportster.
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Monday, August 12, 2013 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/476 23/702119.html
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Monday, August 12, 2013 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

lynrd - how about a rigid buell?
thats what one of mine is like
-rear shock removed and strut put in place
-front forks compressed down to about an inch of travel
....yeah its rough lol but its drag only so not a lot of miles
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Lynrd
Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 12:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Still rubbermounted ...sissy

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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 08:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

LOL
i did add the pingle isolators in the rear, maybe that'll raise my manlyness ha
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

(raise manliness) = (balls pounded back in)


oof.
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Onespeedpaul
Posted on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

haha, wouldn't pounding your balls back in be the **opposite** of raising manliness?? unless you're into that sort of thing of course..s
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Buckwildinky
Posted on Monday, August 19, 2013 - 07:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ive got a bone stock 883 w 11k on it id work a deal on
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Bikerrides
Posted on Monday, September 02, 2013 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Question, are the m2 and x1 front axles interchangeable? Need a front axle so I can put my front wheel on the fork. Are there any other options for a front axle for the m2?
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Onespeedpaul
Posted on Tuesday, September 03, 2013 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yes, the axles are the same.
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