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Essmjay
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mcd/3283266238.h tml

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mcy/3271883421.h tml

Yes, I would buy either one if I could. Interesting how the used prices are pretty comparable.
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Jumbo_petite
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 03:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The S3 hands down. The Duc is a nice bike
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Kc_zombie
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 04:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Both look like good values, but being a Buell forum I would have to say S3...
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X1brett
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 04:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And the S3 has fewer miles. Last weekend, my brother and I put 500 HARD miles on our bikes. His is an xb12 and I was on my '00 X1. With 23,000 miles, my X1 still runs like a champ.
+1 KC, I like the buell.
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Jayvee
Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yah, I love those and also the Multi-strada. The biggest difference is water-cooling. The maintenance would likely be substantially less expensive on the Buell, oddly enough. I think it is a tough call.
I looked very carefully at a Monster, but decided to go with the Buell, on account of the USA-ness.
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Zenbiker
Posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 - 12:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow, that's a tough decision. The Duc is nice, but so is the S3. For me, it would be the S3. That bike is bullet proof and although not as fast, it will not need half of the maintenance that the Duc will, especially at those miles.
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Coxster
Posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 - 05:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Somewhere on this website I read about how the Bad webbers got started. Somewhere there was a test where the X1 beat the Monster, maybe 1998 ???
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Pontlee77
Posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 - 05:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

duc= chain driven + adjust valves
Buell = belt and no need to adjust valves

Manteinence costs?

That's why i got the Uly in first place and then got the X1 as it was at a price i coulden't refuse.
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 - 07:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Somewhere on this website I read about how the Bad webbers got started. Somewhere there was a test where the X1 beat the Monster, maybe 1998 ???




This one perhaps?:
http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/1997-open-bik ini-shootout-15484.html
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 - 07:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...and that's an S1, BTW.
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Bobn
Posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You also have the 24-month timing belt replacement interval on the Duc... $$$ adds up fast
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Essmjay
Posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 - 04:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Actually, the comparison I was shooting for was the prices. Pretty comparable bikes in abilities and fanatical followers. Both have a limited pool of purchasers. Both bikes undervalued when compared to other bikes in that price range. Both have dealer availability issues, but the Duc at least will continue to have factory support. Both bikes have mechanical issues peculiar to the bike. Like I said, I would buy both of them if I could.
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Foximus
Posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well what will you be using it for? You're obviously not looking for a monster or a s1. So I assume you'll be looking to do some cruising. The ducacti motor will definately be smoother, but require more valve maintenance.

As for looks. The front of the Duke looks rather silly to me. Overstated and goofy as most 90's fairings look.


The s3 has a acceptable front fairing, but c'mon. The back half of s3, and m3, always just look like a limp dildo.... Dumbest design ever.
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Thatdirtykid
Posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I understand it's not the real comparison you are looking for, but I enjoyed this article. I like their definition separating these bikes from sport tourers.

http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/twin-touring- sportbikes-13743.html
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Greg_cifu
Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have two Ducatis (Cagiva Elefants to be more truthful) sitting here right now. BOTH need valve adjustments and belts. One hasn't been out in two years and the other hasn't had belts since I bought it five years ago. I know that's a ticking time bomb so I don't ride them.

The two-valve Ducati engine is probably the best engine in all of motorcycling. The six-speed shifts smoothly, it's as narrow as a single, it's light, it makes amazing sounds and the usable torque curve is basically from idle to redline. My 1994 Elefant is the best overall motorcycle I own (or ever ridden).

With all that said, I started buying Buells because I knew the Ducati maintenance was going to creep up on me. I needed something I could just keep clean fluids in, keep the battery charged and it would reward me with an available ride. I already have enough projects around here that I don't need an engine going into its next maintenance need whether I ride it or not.

That's how I would look at those two bikes.

If you have never ridden a Ducati, don't. I tried to talk myself into the first Elefant. Thought it would take a mile or two to decide. I only lasted 2 blocks before I turned around, mind made up, in love with it. If not for the belts turning into pumpkins every two years, I'd have a stable full of Ducatis.

Yeah, it's like this:

http://youtu.be/fMjavRu4v5c
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Foximus
Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

.... i want... an Abarth.. ?


yes...
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Thejosh
Posted on Saturday, September 22, 2012 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I also remember reading that article, except it was a 2000 X1 vs. the Ducati Monster 900. Very well written, I believe the writer tested both bikes and gave the thumbs up to the X1 over the Duc. I believe it was Canadian, considering the MSRP on the bikes.
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Kalali
Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2012 - 01:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Elefantes that I'd seen were all chain drive. My be different model years. They're fun bikes but I find the Buell Tubers a lot more charismatic.
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Greg_cifu
Posted on Sunday, September 23, 2012 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

The Elefantes that I'd seen were all chain drive.



Pssst....TIMING belts.
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Thylacine
Posted on Monday, September 24, 2012 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess I could google it but this post got me thinking. has anyone ever done a chain conversion on their desmo?
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Greg_cifu
Posted on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 - 01:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Chain driven valves? I don't think it would work very well. It would need some LONNNGGG chains and even a small amount of wear would screw up the timing. Plus, the cases would have to be redesigned to be oil-tight and then share the oil bath with the rest of the engine.

Kinda' mooot anyway. You're in there every 3-6K miles depending on the valve keepers the engine has. Adjusting the valves is easier with the belts off.
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