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Buckley
Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2012 - 07:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey guys,

Just cashed in my airline miles for a $200 Amazon gift card which means I can get a new toy without feeling guilty.

Anyways, I have been kind of OCD about my carb tuning over the past few months, so figured an A/F ratio monitor would be a good idea.

So far the one that caught my eye was by NGK:

http://www.amazon.com/NGK-Powerdex-Air-Fuel-Ratio- Monitor/dp/B0018MUNTM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=13427 40389&sr=8-2&keywords=Air+Fuel+Monitoring+System

Anyone try this monitor out? Or have any suggestions on other models?

Thanks
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Jayvee
Posted on Friday, July 20, 2012 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This one includes the Sensor for the same price. They also have digital readout versions.


http://www.aemelectronics.com/wideband-air-fuel-sy stems-15/analog-wideband-air-fuel-gauge-31/

Sorry, try:

http://www.amazon.com/AEM-30-5130-Analog-Wideband-Ratio/dp/B004J2605Y/ref=pd_sim_sbs_auto_4

(Message edited by jayvee on July 20, 2012)
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Buellistic
Posted on Friday, July 20, 2012 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

www.knfilters.com has a Fuel/Air Kit ...

J.C.Whitney used to sell a Fuel/Air Gauge and they told me who their supplier was and "i" built my own ...

If you want to know what "i" know, just PM me ...
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Dave_02_1200
Posted on Friday, July 20, 2012 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have the NGK wide band and I like it a lot.

It comes with good instructions and is not hard to use.

My Buell has a battery tender lead that I use to power the unit and the unit fits into the clear window in my tank bag.

The 02 sensor fits into the bung on the X1 header that is on my M2.

Makes tuning very easy because it eliminates the guesswork and lets you know when you get it right.

I bought mine a few years ago for almost the same price.

I would do it again.

(Message edited by Dave 02 1200 on July 20, 2012)
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Buellistic
Posted on Friday, July 20, 2012 - 07:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tuning your motorcycle on a DYNO is just getting it in the ball park, "BUT" TUNING WITH WITH A FUEL/AIR GAUGE IS TUNING IN THE REAL WORLD WHERE YOU RIDE WITH YOU SETTING ON YOUR MOTORCYCLE !!!
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Buckley
Posted on Sunday, July 22, 2012 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Awesome, I'm glad to hear people have had success with these. Right now I am actually leaning towards the innovate LC-1. It seems like that unit recieve a lot of good reviews.

Do you generally need an adapter to mesh these up with each individual bike? Or do you just need to install a bung / O2, sensor, and then hook up a power lead?

The other questions I had is how does the data logging work? Do you plug a jump drive into the unit as you drive?
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Buellistic
Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 - 05:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My set set-up works on the "KISS" idea as in Keep It Simple Stupid" ...

The GAUGE has bars on it and "i" deside what FUEL/AIR RATIO is good for my engine ...

(Message edited by buellistic on July 23, 2012)
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Buckley
Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

True. Ultimately my inner nerd would like to make A/F plots at different throttle positions though. I take it I would have to buy a data logger seperate?
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Firemanjim
Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 01:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Some have a logging capability, but with a carb how will you know what throttle position you are at?
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Buckley
Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmm any idea of the innovate lc1 does? Says in the website that is comes with data lg software but doesnt mention a logger.

I planned on marking off radial values on my throttle and doing multiple runs (idle, 10%, 25%, 50%, 75%, and full throttle)
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Buellistic
Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

IMPROVISED LOGGER:

Mark your throttle holder ...

With throttle closed put a mark on throttle grip ...

Open throttle (WOT) place mark on throttle grip ...

Now between CLOSED and WOT do 1/2 throttle, then 1/4 throttle, finishing with 3/4 throttle ...

Now you mind can do the LOGGER work if you have a retentive memory ...

You can use a paint tip marker to make marks ...
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Buckley
Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 06:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not a bad idea. Just out of curiosity, what should I look for in terms of a good A/F ratio for a 00' cyclone?
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Buellistic
Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For an every day ride 13.7 to 1 ...

"BUT" before you start tuning your carburetor the following should be correct/good:

TIMING

CARBURETOR SEALS

SPARK PLUG GAP

THROTTLE CABLES ADJUSTED CORRECTLY
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Buckley
Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2012 - 12:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good deal. I have the timing / seals / gaps all set. Just looking to perfect it at this point.
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