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Dfbutler
Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2011 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Took a ride yesterday and the engine started to cut out intermittently. There did not seem any rhyme or reason to where or when. I'd be riding along and the engine would just die. Twisting the throttle seemed to have no real effect and the engine would just come back. Had an exciting moment when in a down hill twisty section, the engine died, I down shifted while juicing the throttle trying to get it refired and all of a sudden it came back pulling the front wheel into the air. I'm thinking some intermittent electrical, suggestions as to where to look?
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Akbuell
Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2011 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As always, check grounds for tightness. And check both battery cables carefully.

If no problems there, try jumpering around your ignition switch. They can/do get wonky with age.
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Msr203
Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2011 - 08:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had that problem with my S3 and it was a loose engine temp sensor, does your check engine light come on?
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Dfbutler
Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2011 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Checked for error codes, tightened battery terminals and did TPS reset, still cuts out.
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Mcelhaney14
Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2011 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had a similar problem and it turned out to the safety switch on the clutch. If you still have that installed just try unplugging it and jumping the two wires together.
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Dfbutler
Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2011 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Checked for error codes, tightened battery terminals and did TPS reset, still cuts out.
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Msr203
Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2011 - 11:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Another place to look is kick stand switch
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Snowbees
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2011 - 04:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Had a similar problem with my x1, it would cut out then start again, run for a bit then repeat. It was the bank sensor failing. you can turn it off with ecmspy.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2011 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Next time it cuts out, 'unlock' the tab on your fuel cap to let the vacuum in the tank equalize.

Could be your tank vent isn't venting, and you're fuel-starving.
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Barrick09
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2011 - 09:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

^^ thats what i was going to suggest. Mine was doing the same thing turned out to be a pinched fuel line.
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Kyrocket
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2011 - 09:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine was the ignition switch on a '99 X1. I learned to reach behind the fly screen and wiggle the connector and it would come back on. It was quite puckering in the beginning not knowing when it would come back to life but after I found out what it was, no problems. I just wired in a rocker switch in place of the ignition, hid it and figured I'd replace it later; still haven't.
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Harleyelf
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2011 - 10:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I could also be the cam position sensor failing when warm and then working again after cooling down.
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Dfbutler
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2011 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the input. The problem started small, like a engine hiccup on the freeway at the beginning of the ride and the cut outs became more frequent and longer. After TPS reset test ride, the problem continued to worsen with engine dying and only restarting with the starter. One thought, intake seals?
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Harleyelf
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2011 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Intake seals would make it pop at high rpm and die at low. Wouldn't make it die during a downshift; wouldn't make it re-start suddenly with more power. That's electrical. If your coil wires are good (they pinch under the tank about six inches from the coil) and you don't have any dirty connections, the fault is in your ignition switch, kill switch, ECM, BAS, or cam position sensor. The seals may be bad also, but they're not your primary issue.
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Two_seasons
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2011 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Try pulling your plug wires on both ends and reseating them FIRMLY on both ends, with a little twisting while doing that.
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Jim2
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2011 - 04:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What about the ignition relay? I know that most people believe that they either work or do not work but I've found that they can be "sticky" and act intermittently. Test by switching the ignition and starter relay.
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Dfbutler
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2011 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Had one person suggest the fuel filter. Any thoughts on that causing an intermittent fault?
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Kyrocket
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2011 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sounds electrical. If it was a fuel filter it would spit and sputter as the last of the fuel passed through the fuel injection then die and not restart right away. If I've read right it's cutting out and eventually cutting right back on just like flipping a switch? If so it's electrical and best guess is one of the sensors is the culprit. A couple of years ago mine died as I was pulling into a gas station not to be started again until I ran down 70-11 miles of wire only to find the speed-o-meter sensor had crapped out and acted as a kill switch. Unhooked it and it fired right up.
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Dfbutler
Posted on Monday, November 28, 2011 - 06:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sounds like I need to have it towed to the stealership after checking the few obvious ones that were suggested here.
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Kalali
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 01:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My money is on either on the ignition switch or the clutch safety switch. The clutch safety switch takes less than 5 minutes to bypass and rule out. As for the ignition switch, put your finger on the red wire behind the housing and feel to see if it is hot. If so, there is your clue.
Don't give up so soon.
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Kyrocket
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I thought maybe there was an update, any news as to the culprit?
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96s2t
Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2011 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had a problem with my bike only firing on one cylinder when it got hot.After 15 minutes of cool down time it started up and ran fine. The aftermarket COMPUFIRE ignition module was the fault. The new S.E. module hasn't missed a beat.
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