| Author | Message | ||
     Dj_engine |
Hi all, Haven't been around in a while, because I've been happily riding my X1 for a year now (since the engine mount adventure), but now I think my gear dogs are barking. I get that surge, like the back wheel hits patches of ice, then catches on dry pavement. I can assure you that's not happening, because I'm in SoCal. I've seen some good threads on here about the gear dog issue, and it's getting to be time to bite the bullet and pull the trans, just to see what's actually going on, and replace the carnage as necessary. What I'd like to know is does anyone have a good source for online ordering of HD transmission parts? I suppose I could hand them a list at Bartel's down the street, but that's a last resort. thanks, -John | ||
| Buellistic |
Your PROFILE states you have a 2000 model ... In 2000 the DETENT PLATE was up-dated as was 2nd/3rd gear ... "PLEASE" state what gear/gears you are having a problems with ??? (Message edited by buellistic on September 19, 2011) | ||
| Dj_engine |
Sorry, should have mentioned that. 2000 Millennium X1, problem in second gear, sometimes jumps out of gear, but almost always skips when power applied in 2nd gear between 2000-3200 rpm. It seems to be getting worse over time. It only has about 20000 miles on it. My riding is almost exclusively city traffic, about 10 miles a day. Most of the work is done in the first three gears, 2nd most of the time. If it's the dogs, do I need to change out 1st and 2nd or 2nd and 3rd? Should I do the updates for all 3 plus detent plate? I'm at best an amateur mechanic. I have a pretty decent shop to work in, but I've never had a Harley engine or trans apart before. thanks for your help, much appreciated. | ||
| Preybird1 |
If you have the part numbers you can order them from lake shore HD and get a 20% off msrp discount. Here is a link http://www.lshd1.com/servlet/StoreFront (Message edited by preybird1 on September 19, 2011) | ||
| Buellistic |
The gears associate'd to 2nd gear and assoicate'd parts are what you need to closely look at ... Pm me and "i" will send you some help "INFO" .. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Mine did that too. though it took me about 40,000 miles to get there. It was the last thing that they fixed under my extended warranty. Mine was caused by worn dogs and the damage as viewed in your hand was subtle. My symptom: change into second under light load and it would be fine. If the traffic finally opened up, I would roll on the throttle and it would jump like you described. Sometimes bad enough to pop the front end up! If I nailed the gas as I was shifting, it would engage and stay there fine like normal. I suggest you do the easy/cheap stuff first like the detente plate but it really sounds like it's doing what mine was doing. BTW, After they replaced the second and third gear sets, the tranny shifts like buttah. and has been fine for many thousands of miles since. Perhaps 2000 bikes had a batch of marginal second gear sets? | ||
| Preybird1 |
If it was mine i would pull the tranny out and ship it zippers and have it done right. Thats what i did on my tranny.......I had the prep it for racing and back cut the gears and i also installed a better billet trap door for the tranny's overall strength. Shifts almost as nice as my jap bike does now. | ||
| Reepicheep |
When you get it apart you will see the gear damage. It is subtle, but you will know it when you see it.  | ||
| Reepicheep |
(The shaft is from a KDX-200 that was craigslist described as "great shape and ready to ride". Don't ride with worn out sprockets folks, but otherwise ignore that part of the picture) The part of interest is the gear (second) on the left. See the rounded edge of the the sticky uppy thingy? That's a dog, and it should be a sharp edge, not worn. Thats enough damage in that photo to cause frequent "not fully engaged" symptoms. It was from a 2000 M2. | ||
| Jim2 |
My 2000 M2 does the same thing only not very often. I had the tranny out and could see "slightly" worn dogs on 2nd gear similar to picture above. At the time this skip behavior didn't exists. I've put at least 7000 miles on since then. Probably started about 1000 miles ago. I expect it'll get worse with time. I just wasn't able to buy new gears or send for back-cutting at the time. I've got pictures I could probably dig out for comparison. Will need to fix at some point. I do have some bookmarked links for gear sources but that 20% off mentioned above sounds great. | ||
| Jim2 |
Oh, I forgot to mention. The first time I had my tranny out I left out a spacer and that may have caused my dogs to wear pre-maturely as they were not able to fully engage. I went back in an assembled correctly the next time. Shift like butter but that's due to cleaning up the shift drum fork pin grooves. There was one spot that the metal was mushroomed on and the fork pin would catch on the bend. I polished the area with some fine grit Emory cloth. That fixed it. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Good point Jim, I did that also! | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I have my old gears. I will try to dig them up for picture-fun. Mine's damage was barely noticeable at all. It was subtle enough so that the shop didn't detect the issue the first time. After they followed my helpful instructions on how to make it mess up, it messed up right on cue  | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I found treasure! PICS: As you can see, the wear is pretty small on the dogs.   The fork had a bit of wear on it too. I'm thinking both added together to form a sloppy connection.  Bonus lightning round! What happens when you take your 1979 XLH up to 110 and hold it for a while..... Something goes a little wrong with 4th? Perhaps something had been adding a bit of extra friction? Suddenly, LOTS more speed than normal.....  Bronze deposited to 4th gear.  Note the discoloration of the rod and it's also bent a bit.  | ||
| Jim2 |
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| Buellistic |
To keep from having Transmission "PROBLEMS" these simple adjustments should be correctly done: CLUTCH correctly adjusted !!! SIMPLE Ergonomics of adjustment to the FOOT SHIFT LEVEL in relationship to your riding position(how you set on the bike) and your foot position !!! Proper adjustment of the shift ratchet mechanism(assoiated parts must be in good repair) !!! Proper adjustment of the PRIMARY CHAIN !!! Proper adjustment of the DRIVE BELT !!! Proper OIL LEVEL in the Transmission !!! The transmission will take a lot of punishment if the transmission adjustments and peripheral adjustments are done correctly !!! | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Also, make sure your bike's key doesn't have AMF stamped on it! LOL! |
