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01x1buell
Posted on Monday, August 08, 2011 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

today i just put in some amsoil and i went for a ride and not went to look at my engine temp and it is now 211c when i got home. it used to run at 190c when it was hot out.. i htought that amsoil was supposed to keep it a tiny bit cooler.
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Edv
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 12:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

May I ask what oil you were using prior to changing to Amsoil?
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01x1buell
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 04:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mobil1 syn 20 50 air cooled
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Skntpig
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 06:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't think the difference in temp is due to the oil change.
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Edv
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 08:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From a scientific point of view there shouldn`t have been any difference in temperature as both Amsoil and Mobil 1 Vtwin are both synthetic, if you were switching from a mineral oil there should have been a shift downward in temperature. Having said that I also noticed a similar difference when switching from Castrol Syntec to Amsoil so after one oil change I switched back. What I noticed was a drop in idle rpm and after switching back to the Castrol the idle came back up which to me means less friction. Now that Castrol has discontinued Syntec I will probably switch to Mobil 1 as we sell it at the shop also.
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01x1buell
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

interesting i am going to ride it this weekend and monitor the temp and see what happens.
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Edv
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Let me know how your ride goes this weekend and the temps you encounter
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01x1buell
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 06:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

will do i would go out now but there are showers around and do not want to take the chance. how much of a temp diff did you notice.???/
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Jramsey
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 07:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cylinder head temp won't change much switching oils, you need to check the oil temp.
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01x1buell
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 07:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ok the only reason i said this is that the head temp was 25C higher after i changed the oil. not extremely hot outside . it just seemed weird to me.
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Steveford
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not Amsoil but HarLee's Syn3 makes the cooling fan come on a lot on the XBs compared to Mobil 1 15/50.
I dumped that Syn3 out after about 500 miles and went back to Mobil 1.
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01x1buell
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2011 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

well i will give it a little while to see how she runs, if it keeps running hot then i will dump the amsoil then go back to my mobil 1
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Kalali
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 - 11:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you want your comparison to be valid you have to make sure that ALL the parameters are identical between the two samples, identical ambient temperatures, identical routes, identical speed, etc. So one or two rides are not good enough to draw any valid conclusions.

"From a scientific point of view there shouldn`t have been any difference in temperature as both are both synthetic..."

That may be true but my X1 runs on average 20C cooler with Royal Purple 20/50.
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Kilroy
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What is your oil level in the tank now that it is running hot?

Kilroy
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99_x1
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

is it possable that a hotter running oil pulls mure heat from the engine? and a cooler running oil dosnt absorb and disapate the heat as well? just one of those things i ponder.
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01x1buell
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

well the oil level is 3/4 the way up the dipstick when hot.
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01x1buell
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ok well i went on a 45 min ride today and checked the head temp and it it was only 180c much cooler then the 212 i had the other day. so i am thinking that maybe it is the head temp sensor.. and i just noticed that the plastic piece on top of the head temp sensor is loose and vibrating around.. idk if this is a problem but i would think it is.
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01x1buell
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2011 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ok well i went on a 45 min ride today and checked the head temp and it it was only 180c much cooler then the 212 i had the other day. so i am thinking that maybe it is the head temp sensor.. and i just noticed that the plastic piece on top of the head temp sensor is loose and vibrating around.. idk if this is a problem but i would think it is.
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Kalali
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"well the oil level is 3/4 the way up the dipstick when hot."

I keep mine near the lower 1/4 mark on the stick when checked within a minute after turning the engine off with the bike straight up (not on sidestand).
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Nwrider
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"well the oil level is 3/4 the way up the dipstick when hot."

Wow... if there is anything more than a 1/8 inch on the bottom of my stick it comes out the breather.
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01x1buell
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine does not come out the breather at that level... Weird
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Dfbutler
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 03:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Where I noticed the biggest change was putting Amsoil in the trans. It shifted easier and quicker.
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Preybird1
Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I use amsoil exclusively now and since i know a local private distributor i am getting it $9.50 a qt. Eric buell racing bikes come new with amsoil in them so why not use it.
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