| Author | Message | ||
     Hellraged |
ok will do :P | ||
| Hellraged |
ok took some pics of the belt and what not , but gotta wait on the wife to show me how to put the pictures on my pc lol. but anyways i wiggled the belt at the small wheel that the belt goes around where the belt cover is and i hear a clicking noise like it isnt bolted down or something... i dont think that is right, could that be the problem with not having the power to the rear wheel? | ||
| Hellraged |
ok i tried to upload attachmen tbut said the pics where too big , dont have program to shrink so i put them on photo bucket.. notice the old pics of my bike and how the belt was and the 4 new pics of took of the belt. http://s1108.photobucket.com/albums/h418/Hellraged / | ||
| Hellraged |
maybe nothing is wrong with my tranny could be less expesnive fixing this no? please give me hope  | ||
| 01x1buell |
as other people have told me the belt should be scary loose | ||
| Hellraged |
should you hear the wheel thing that the belt is on rattle when you shake it and it rub on the metal? and it should be scary loose but the problem is i didnt loosen it it loosend itself. | ||
| Guell |
The front pulley should not be loose, its either stripped out, has come loose or that bearing is beyond shot | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
If the bearing is shot....then the seal is shot and you would be getting a lot of oil leakage coming of the sprocket. Didn't see any. | ||
| Kalali |
The nut on the front secondary drive pulley tends to get loose over time if not properly torqued and/or locktited. Mine was. I had no "audible" symptom but visually the belt was off center on the rear drive pulley. That led me to inspect the nut and it was loose enough to turn by bare fingers. | ||
| Hellraged |
i remember the days before the bike wouldnt move at all, when i was riding felt the back tire felt like it was pulling or something, i remember i kept looking at it when i was riding erm i guess from now on i know what it feels like before. But that could very well explain why my bike isnt moving but reving up and and starting good and idling good and changing gears the same i hope that is the fix shouldnt be expensive to tighten a nut and tension the belt i would suppose, will find out tomorrow but now i gotta tell the mechanic to check the tranny oil make sure i have the right amount in there ect.. yeah no oil leakage coming from anywhere in the bike. | ||
| Zaphof |
Having the right amount of transmission oil is crucial, as is the tension of the belt. You should pretty much be able to lift it about an inch. This is not an accurate guideline, but it needs to be much looser than you think. If you haven't already done so, adjust the primary chain tension. Here is a some good info about the belt tension that I have copied from the UK Buell site Disregard the Buell method of tension: X1 (or any 99 onwards tuber) With the bike on its sidestand, you should be able to lift the bottom run of the belt up to touch the swingarm, whilst holding it there, you should just about be able to push the top run down to touch the swingarm. This will result in at least 2-3'' of slack in the centre of the bottom run. If you only have 1'' in the top run at the moment you are trashing your wheel bearings, gearbox output ballrace, the belt and the pulleys, also you're restricting rear suspension movement. The pulleys used does make a difference, thus 2-3'' This 'rule of thumb' technique was derived by disconnecting the rear shock and lining up the axle, swingarm pivot and front pulley centres. The belt was then adjusted to be taught at this point as this is the max extension. For those that just like to experiment, try the above (ie. disconnect the shock-frame supported ) with a tighter belt....... you will have to force the wheel up over centre, where it will hang on the belt until you force it back down. S1 and M2 (steel swinging arm, no tensioner pulley)This also applies to the older arm, the slack should be 2" to 3" in centre of bottom run while on the sidestand. This will be the same on a paddock stand where you can spin wheel round to look for tight spots. Regardless of the tuber model, if you've set the belt to be taut at the max extension, then it'll be spot on. (Message edited by zaphof on June 11, 2011) | ||
| Hellraged |
hi all, so good and bad news.. i took it to the shop and the freakin idiot says he isnt gonna work on it... dude should have told me that on the phone before i made arrangements to get a trailer and trailer it 50 miles away... but on to the good news i suppose lol i took off the belt guard near the rear break pedal and say that backplate that locks in that nut is completely stripped... its totally round (i took some pics will post later) so im guessing the transmission is turning that nut that turns the front pulley thing and its not turning it because that plate is stripped. Called harley only cost like $2 for the backplate which im going to drive there tomorrow and get. Will post pics again of my find so atleast i hope atleast that is the problem and i will do it myself with my dad. Anyways later :P thanks again with everyones help. | ||
| Hellraged |
ok here are some pics. http://s1108.photobucket.com/albums/h418/Hellraged / there are some rivvits (dunno how you spell lol) behind the nut if you notice in one of the pics, i didnt have the tool to take off the nut since its so freakin huge but dont seem loose... you can move it back and forth though. Should i replace the nut aswell? would the lock plate being stripped like cause my riding problem? and if you notice on some of the pics the front pulley thing is off center so i guess im going to have to take off the back wheel pulley thing to get the belt off and take off that nut next weekend and see whats going on . Anyways your opinion is much appreciated. Im buying a new lock plate and nut (if it is needed) today from harley (they have to order it) let me know thanks. | ||
| 80rs427 |
Nick, you need to check the splines on your front pulley. The plate you mentioned just keeps the pulley nut from loosening. Most likely, the teeth on the inside of the pulley have stripped out and it is just spinning on the shaft. I had this happen to my '96 S1, but it didn't get to the point of spinning.  The good thing is that the pulley is softer than the output shaft, so the output shaft splines are probably fine.  Just replacing the plate isn't going to get you moving for very long. | ||
| Hellraged |
ok so when i go to harley ask how much a whole front pulley assembly is? the whole wheel ,nut, lockplate ect...? going to go today after church thanks/ | ||
| Road_thing |
Yep, your pulley is toast. The good news is that the seal in the end of your output shaft appears to be intact, so I'm guessing your transmission bearings are OK, too. I'd recommend you buy a new seal while you're at it. Pull the old one, check the bearings and give them a shot of grease or transmission oil before putting the new seal in. Those needle bearings can dry out and fall apart; if that happens, you've got a bigger, more expensive problem to deal with. rt | ||
| Hellraged |
ok cool, well atleast the end of the output shaft seems fine, i thought i would jsut need to replace that stripped out lock plate. i wonder if i should take to a shop and let them do it? or is it pretty easy job for someone to do? | ||
| Kalali |
You need to find a good local mechanic. It looks like the transmission output shaft is spinning/moving inside the pulley. You need to take the pulley off and see what's going on. You have got a real nice bike. Its worth getting it all fixed up. | ||
| Hellraged |
im going to go to this shop called (big boys) near my work monday and see if he can be my mechanic, i really wish harley wasnt so damn expensive i would go there , but these ppl said they would work on my bike. I will show them the pics i took and see what they say . Cant believe that damn mechanic i took it too sat. why didnt the freakin idiot tell me he wouldnt work on it over the phone beats the hell outta me. | ||
| Hellraged |
another thing, is it ok to idle the bike in neutral the way it is? left the bike at my dads house told him to start it up around wedn to idle for a min. if it will tear up something let me know thanks. | ||
| Court |
It won't hurt a thing . . but it will shake like a paint mixer so have Dad stay present while the bike is running lest it try to seek communion with the Earth or find it's way downhill to the end of the drive. Dad . . if he's going to do that . . . should run it for several minutes . . until the cylinder is too hot to touch. | ||
| Hellraged |
damn i called the harley place and asked how much a front pulley is jesus $240 lol imma buy the lock plate and take that nut off and see before i place that order. and thanks court for the reply i will tell him to just sit on it while its on :P | ||
| Guell |
a baker pulley is cheaper, like 170 | ||
| Hellraged |
gotta link to buy that if need be guell? | ||
| Guell |
american sport bike also has pulleys for about 197. I think you can order direct from baker. | ||
| Hellraged |
ok i think i read in the manual that the nut is a left sided nut, so when i go to loosen it i go clockwise instead of counter clockwise? and 2 inch nut correct? | ||
| Brother_in_buells |
Hey Nick ,i think that its better to do the repairs etc.. yourself! It creates a bond with the bike  and if you take your time for the things ,reading some manuals ask/look here and have some help from a fellow bueller it costs you less than bringing it to some big$$ shop. Not all repair shops are like that ,but the smaller ones are more serious with the things they do! | ||
| Hellraged |
i have to agree with you there brother. it does feel good when you find a problem yourself and get it going again :P by the time im done with this bike ill be a motorcycle mechanic lol | ||
| Zaphof |
Think I have spotted this for sale on Craigzoom. If so, I think you have given up rather too easily. Shame, but you never really realised what you had bought. | ||
| Hellraged |
nope not for sale. had offers though before i realized what it is. :P really more of seeing what someone else had to offer , but that was until i found out only the lock plate and maybe the front pulley was messed up. That little bit is nothing i will keep :P |
