| Author | Message | ||
     Foximus |
So I'm having trouble finding the REAL informative and in depth threads on XB wheel swaps. So that being said, the way I see it, I have 3 solid options. In no particular order... sort of. Oh, and this is in relation to the FRONT wheel ONLY. I do not care about the rear wheel, doing something completely different. Option 1) Spin up some spacers to fit the axle to the bearing. Anyone have some definite dimensions on this so I can get them machined beforehand? After that it would just be up to cutting a caliper adapter bracket for the ZTL2 Option 1a) I might vaguely remember someone mentioning that Tuber and XB bearings swap out, but my memory may fail me? if so this eliminates the spacer problem. Option 2) Swap over the entire XB fork and front end. Perhaps less work, though more money. I also remember that doing this changes the steering geometry, perhaps the trail... And makes the bike handle funky at speed, Perhaps more sluggish and less nimble? Option 3) To avoid the steering stem problem, just machining out the Tuber Tripple trees to accept the larger XB forks. Dont know if this is actually viable at all, as I have not measured the extra meat on the tuber tripple. Would also avoid the tank clearance problem. EDIT Option 4) Just read that 03-04 XB's have the same 54mm forks, so if I can find a set of those, I would just use those for the cleanest build plan. I think.... Opinions? Subtopic A... Anyone have black (or any color really...) XB front wheel, or entire front assembly? Subtopic B... Would you consider selling YOUR PM wheels if you had a set? Dont know if I want to or not... Thanks in advance. (Message edited by foximus on April 04, 2011) | ||
| Foximus |
and what would the solution for spedo be? | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Fox - more info on that please? I've had my front wheel off of the bike I've had my rear wheel off of the bike Never noticed anything as far as a speedo sensor PLUS when doing a burnout (1999 S3, efi), the speedo (before I took it off) would jump up to 40~mph. Front wheel not moving, rear wheel spinning, speedo measuring different speeds | ||
| Foximus |
I guess you have the electronic spedo that measures off the primary. I cant speak for your bike I have no experience with newer than 97. However the s1's have a mech. cable driven spedo on the front wheel. I found a real nice set of 03 forks for $300. May go that route if anyone can confirm or deny things.... Dont know how high they would stick above the Tuber triple tree and if I'd be FORCED to use Clip ons... | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Ah ok, that must be it then, electric speedo - I know that I do have that. Good luck on everything! And for a deal on forks, you can try what I've been doing - calling around to the HD shops (not dealers, but private people that work on them) and asking about Buell parts. Many times they'll have parts leftover from engine swaps to choppers etc etc for cheap | ||
| Guell |
03 forks will fit your triples. You have issues with the handlebars since the xb fork adjusters stick up too high. The whole front end will swap on, but you have to press in a tuber stem and machine the xb triples/ or have a new stem machined up As far as a speedo goes you will have to an electronic one. I plan on doing this swap onto my m2. | ||
| Foximus |
Is it as obvious as it seems? Does it stick up 2-3" past the tripple tree where the bulky section is near the headcap of the fork? If these are 41mm forks, would I not be able to just dissasemble them, and reuse the lower sliders in my current forks? Or would my best bet be to try and keep them on the stock forks and make adapters? (Message edited by foximus on April 05, 2011) | ||
| Phelan |
I posted about the bearing swap. You can swap the bearings and use the tuber spacers, but they still have to be cut down to center the wheel, and even with much modification and cutting, I could not find a way to make the mechanical speedo sensor fit. Best bet is to fit a factory electronic speedo sensor in the transmission case. Someone once posted about it with pics, but I can't remember who. Or just get an electronic speedo that has it's own sensor setup like Veypor. I would just stick the '03-'04 forks in the stock triples and install some clip ons, but that's me. Clearance was not an issue with the '03-'04 forks and the S2 clip ons (I ran both the XB wheel and brake on the stock forks with custom adapters and on '03 forks and axle, which was much safer and cleaner). The other thing is that if you build a caliper adapter, it'll have to be made of steel and heavy duty or it'll be useless. I had one, and though it would for 1500 miles or so no problem, I always felt uncomfortable about it knowing that my safety was dependent upon it's design. I went to stock XB forks/axle for peace of mind. Also the the unworthy weight is substantially less without a big hunk of steel holding the caliper in place. (Message edited by Phelan on April 05, 2011) | ||
| Purpony |
You can not use the XB fork lowers in the X1 uppers... i took both of mine apart to see if this was doable and it IS NOT..... The 03-04 forks fit into the X1/Tuber triples... but like you said, the top of the forks stick out the top triple about 2-3"... this does not allow the use of bolt on handlebars UNLESS... you use a 3" riser, or the ROX adjustable risers and move the bars all the way forward. If swapping to XB triples, you need counterbore the bottom triple bottom hole and press in a X1 stem. I also counterbored the upper triple to except the stock stem bolt. This allows the XB triples and XB forks to fit like factory onto the tuber frame and allow all handlebars to bolt on... problem is, it does limit your turning radius because the trees are configured different. (this is the route i went though) I found a set of low mileage 03 forks on ebay for $100.... but i took them all apart and rebuilt them anyways to be sure and since i was powdercoating them. | ||
| Foximus |
Ok... So I think I fully understand all options then. I found a perfect set of 03 forks for $300 shipped. A little high for my taste, saying I will STILL have to buy a XB wheel and brake and axle shaft... Now, heres another question. With the extra 2-3 inches sticking out the top... IS this at stock s1 ride height, or is this a bit lower? The top is obviously sticking out because it wont fit in the s1/x1 tripple. However what if I bore up to fit it, so I can lower the forks down a bit and not have them stick up... will this Be returning the bike to stock height, OR will it be raising the front 3"? The forks look a bit stubby to begin with. Thanks again. (is 300 too high you think? Know anyone with a complete front end, or at least a wheel?) | ||
| Purpony |
yes, the front end will be lowered due to sliding them in and having them stick out the top. The reason for the having to be slide in so far is because of the mounting points on the XB forks.... the fork tube gets thinner (tapers in) between the upper and lower mounting points. The XB lower triple is lower then the tuber triple, so when you use a tuber triple... you need to slide the forks in father to clamp around the mounting points. If not the triples will not clamp correctly. One thing i saw a someone do is make a spacer for the XB stem. So what he did was use XB forks, XB triples, and XB stem, and use a spacer on the bottom of the stem. Problem there is, the stem is also tapered, so the spacer needs to hold the bearing. My though was to use an XB (longer) stem in a Tuber triple and a spacer. This should move the Tuber triple down some not causeing the bike to be lowered/ forks sticking out the top. If I dont like how my bike handles with the XB triple, that is what i may do.. that or make a new longer stem. | ||
| Foximus |
Yes, I like the spacer idea, to lower the lower triple tree. I just realized the forks I was about to buy are XB Low forks. i thought that the mounting points were closer together and used a flat lower triple instead of an offset. But I'm reading that might NOT be the case, it might just have shorter inner slider tubes. So many damn different parts for XBs, and so little documented. making this difficult. | ||
| Brother_in_buells |
The spacer  | ||
| Purpony |
yes, thats the spacer i was talking about. This allows him to use the stock XB stem in the stock XB triple and allow the forks to be mounted like stock. The problem is, you need to have the spacer hold the bearing. Its doable, since he did it. My thought was, making or seeing if harley makes a longer then XB stock stem and pressing it into a tuber triple and making a larger spacer. This would keep the stock tuber triple and steering radius and allow the XB forks to bolt up like factory... (Message edited by purpony on April 08, 2011) | ||
| Brother_in_buells |
also an option is to cut the xb stock stem and weld some plug between the two ,if i remember right Joesbuell did something like that (only he shortened the stem) | ||
| Foximus |
At this point, I'm thinking it might be easier to machine a new lower triple... Less hassle. Tuber width and profile, but with the droop already built in. What is the vertical mounting distance of centerlines for the XB tripples? The Tuber is ~220mm. Also, what spacer do you use when using a tuber tripple? The tuber spacer? Or do you have to cut the XB spacer down? And what on the spedo side? Why do I have a feeling the front wheel swap is going to prove to be more of a headache than my entire rear conversion? LoL The beautiful 03 forks I found, are Low forks and that will lower me even more. What a pity. I cant find a really good set of decently priced 03-04 forks. | ||
| Brother_in_buells |
The distance between the xb triples is + - 195mm from underside upper triple to top lower triple But i think its not so easy to compare the one from an S1 and a xb because the are different from shape And about spacer ,do you mean the ones for the axle? how long are the 03 low forks that you found? the forks from an 04 xb are + - 710 mm from hart of axle to upper edge | ||
| Foximus |
Brother. You seem to be completely knowledgeable on this. Do you thinjk you could give me a call real quick. Would make it easier than a back and forth in text. 407 415 6491 Thanks | ||
| Foximus |
By the way... what actually prevents xb lower sliders from being used in s1 uppers? I'm interested in knowing. Perhaps this could be just as easy of a conversion.... Or on a side note, has anyone ever tried seperating the cast fork leg? | ||
| Brother_in_buells |
Foximus you have mail! | ||
| Foximus |
Thank you Mees. Helpful as always. Id still like to know why the inner fork tubes will not work in the s1 outers, from the person who has tried it. | ||
| Purpony |
i tried it, but dont recall was was different. I was going to take a picture but never got around to it. i already have my XB forks rebuilt and assembled, but i do have an X1 tube apart. They were just completely different inside. | ||
| Foximus |
So You used the XB tripples? did it make your steering sluggish any? And as long as I'm going to use the XB tripples, no reason I couldnt just use say... 2008 1125 forks... just swap out the steering stem and its bolt on? (relatively speaking...) I'm getting ansy on which way to do it... I dont know if I should buy a brand new wheel and rotor for 400 first, see how I can make the wheel fit on s1 forks...and worry about the XB forks at a later time....(?) My ZTL2 and master cylinder is on the way from Erik Buell Racing.... My top secret rear rim and mounting aluminum just showed up in the mail today. I believe its about 7lbs.... =P (Message edited by foximus on April 11, 2011) (Message edited by foximus on April 11, 2011) | ||
| Brother_in_buells |
http://www.buellxb.com/Buell-XB-Forum/Buell-X1-M2- S3/Do-you-think-it-will-Fit http://www.buellxb.com/Buell-XB-Forum/Buell-X1-M2- S3/help-xb-wheel-conversion | ||
| Foximus |
Good information, that I thought I knew, but those threads confirmed it. Thanks BiB as always. On a side note. UPS says my 6.3 pound ztl2 caliper is on its way.. LoL. That means its just .7 lbs lighter than my rear wheel... (though I guess the master cylinder is in the box too, but that cant be too heavy) Purpony, do you happen to have your XB steerign stem still? | ||
| Purpony |
No i dont... kind of wish i did but i gave it to a fellow bueller in need. My bike is still apart so i have not had a chance to ride it yet with the XB triple. I just finished powdercoating my frame and am assembling the bike now. | ||
| Foximus |
ah... bummer. I think when time comes to do this, I'll be doing the opposite of what brother in buells did. I'll be pressing the XB stem into the s1 triple, and then making a bearing spacer. I think that will get the best and easiest solution out of all the options.... maybe. | ||
| Purpony |
you had me up last night thinking.. im going to take my X1 stem over to my buddies shop this weekend and talk to him about making me a custom length one. Ill swap back to a X1 upper and lower with a custom length stem and a spacer. Going to machine the stem so the bearing stays in the factory location and a spacer goes between the bearing and the lower triple. That should be the best if both worlds. (Message edited by purpony on April 14, 2011) | ||
| Foximus |
Sounds excellent. While your at it... see what the cost will be for 2 and that would be much appreciated. I'm sure you have a reason for it, as I've still never held each in my hand to compare, but why would you just not use the xb stem? Because of the thin taper in the middle? | ||
| Guell |
Please see how much 3 would be purpony thanks |
