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97s3tcolorado
Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2011 - 05:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have been on the phone with 4 different dealers and 2 different tool supply company's and I'm not happy!
It seems that the crank seal tool the the (front Sprocket seal) is at least 3 weeks out from me!! I then asked the dealers how much they would charge to just install the seal that I have SEALED IN A HARLEY BAG. and they told me they would not do it.....
So as it sits now I have the primary side opened up and the old seal out. They want me to Load my bike on a trailer and brig it to them and pay $89.00 plus shop fees and tax to have some guy do a 5min job!

Sorry for the rant.
Does any one have the tool to install a updated seal that I can barrow? I will gladly pay shipping both ways as well as compensate you for the use of your property.
Please let me know. Thanks for your time.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2011 - 05:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I remember correctly...I just used a big honkin' socket when I did the one on my old evo. Take the seal with you to sears and fit up a socket that's about the same OD as the seal, and deep enough to go over the crankshaft. A piece of PVC pipe will also work.
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Fasted
Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2011 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

knowledge vault search before you use anything but the correct tool so you will know what to do and what not to do. it is easy, but you don't want to do it twice...
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Fahren
Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2011 - 06:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There's a lot of KV and old skewl threads with great tips and how-to's for this.
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Jramsey
Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2011 - 07:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here's the one I made.





OD. of the seal driver is 1.850 x .562 thick, center hole 1.00.
The ID of the counterbore is 1.750 x .210 deep.

The spacer is 1.25 OD x 1.00 ID x 1.00 long.

Stick the seal in the driver and slide in place then the spacer, spin the crank nut on finger tight then use a wrench to seat the seal into position


Hope this makes sense.

BTW the seal OD. is approx. 2.010 so the driver could be made with a OD. of 1.900.

I just used a piece out of the scrap bucket.

(Message edited by jramsey on April 06, 2011)
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Fasted
Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2011 - 08:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thanks for sharing...i think i have a friend who can use your specs to make one if i need one in the future.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 08:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's not a big deal to do it without the tool. The thing you have to avoid is seating it too deeply, as if you do, the bearings will rub the rubber and chew through it in about 4000 miles and it will leak again (DAMHIK).

To do it right (the second try in my case), I looked at the seating depth in the manual based on the design of the tool, and machined a hardwood dowel (OK, it was a green tinker toy rod), to have half a face on one end stepped.

So you put the "longer part" of the dowel on the seal, and tap it in until the "shorter part" of the dowel contacts the crannkcase. Then you know it is seated deeply enough, but not too deeply.

All the normal "be careful" rules apply about seating seals crooked. I take my time and I am careful. Haven't been bit yet doing it a bunch of times to a bunch of machines, but someday I probably will be.
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Buellistic
Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 10:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What about a tool to "REMOVE" seal ???

Removing is not easy !!!

Did my seal with out a "INSTALLATION" tool ...
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Removal is definitely the harder part. I'd offer advice, but I butchered mine. Not to the point it would have a functional impact, but it wasn't a job I was proud of.

My apologies to whoever has my old M2 now...
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97s3tcolorado
Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the tips! I have worked on cars,trucks,motorcycles,ATV's,boats for most of my life. I know my way around a shop. I have in the past said to my self "I don't need that spacial tool to do this job!!" And it has came back and bit me in the A$$.
Like Fasted said "I don't want to do it twice"

The old seal was not easy to get out but it was not bad. It took me longer to get all the paper gasket of the mounting surfaces on the cover and case.

I took some measurements last night and I went for it. Seal installed and the bike is running. After I get the body work done I will take some photos and post them up.
Thanks again for the help.
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Buellistic
Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Adjust your primary chain to 3/4 inch play on the tight spot and your motor sprocket seal will last longer ...

PRIMARY CHAIN Class 101, just PM me for a copy ...
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97s3tcolorado
Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When I got the bike I did find the primary chain as well as the drive belt were to tight. I adjusted both before I rode it for 800miles. I then took it all apart and replaced the rocker box gaskets, oil pump drive gear,cam cover gasket, primary chain tensioner (witch was broken),starter gasket and the front sprocket seal. It was leaking motor oil into the primary.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

When I got the bike I did find the primary chain as well as the drive belt were to tight. I adjusted both before I rode it for 800miles. I then took it all apart and replaced the rocker box gaskets, oil pump drive gear,cam cover gasket, primary chain tensioner (witch was broken),starter gasket and the front sprocket seal. It was leaking motor oil into the primary.




Dude! I want to buy your used bikes! : )
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Buellistic
Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 05:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There are still MECHANICS out there in BUELLdom that know how to do mechanical things correctly !!!
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97s3tcolorado
Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reep,

Yea, I take pride/comfort in knowing that my motorcycles are mechanically sound,as well as good looking.
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Fahren
Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 06:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What is it you say, Lafayette - "Buell: making riders into mechanics, since 1995," or something to that effect LOL!
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Buellistic
Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 06:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

BEFORE "HARLEY-DAVIDSON Motor Company" shut down "BUELL Motor Company, it was:

"HARLEY-DAVIDSON Dealers, making MECHANICS out of BUELL Riders since 1983 !!!"

That has now been up-dated to:

"HARLEY DAVIDSON Motor Company now making MECHANICS and PARTS MEN out of BUELLRiders since THURSDAY the 15th OCTOBER 2009 !!!"
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97s3tcolorado
Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 06:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The bike has a little over 44,000 miles on it.
I also did new front break rotor, new pads front and rear and rebuilt the front and rear masters. Rebuilt the forks, and new front wheel bearings. Oh and new tires.
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