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Jim2
Posted on Friday, December 24, 2010 - 12:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I lost first gear today on my M2. I'm pretty sure it tore off the dogs. I could see they were chipping when I was in last.

I see that Andrews sells gears, anybody else? Anyone have an swap meet tranny to part out?
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Brinnutz
Posted on Friday, December 24, 2010 - 12:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have my old tranny with 14k on it...
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Jim2
Posted on Friday, December 24, 2010 - 01:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Brinnutz, PM sent.
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Preybird1
Posted on Friday, December 24, 2010 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Old tranny? Did you get a 6 speed?
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Brinnutz
Posted on Friday, December 24, 2010 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nah, put a brand new stocker in during the rebuild...couldn't pass on the price lol.
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Preybird1
Posted on Friday, December 24, 2010 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I had pulled out my tranny and had it built by zippers. Full race build back-cut gears and the works.
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Bluzm2
Posted on Friday, December 24, 2010 - 04:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I rebuilt one this past summer. Had to replace the 4th gear (really the dogs on the 2nd gear if memory serves).
A bit of a PITA getting the snap rings off the shafts. But all in all not that difficult.
If you replace the bad gears, be VERY careful when disassembling the tranny gears. DO NOT mix them up. Some are very similar on the two shafts. They are not interchangeable.
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Jim2
Posted on Friday, December 24, 2010 - 06:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll crack into it after Christmas and find out for sure but I think the problem is sheared dogs off of the this gear; "GEAR, 3rd-countershaft", HD Part#35771-94. (Buell parts book page 32, #19 on the drawing)

I found an Andrews gear Part#17 1901, the description says it's OEM equivalent of HD#35571-89 that is supposed to be for 91-05 XL stock. The price is cheap. Does the Sportster XL have 5-speed transmission? The gear might be the same or the HD/Buell -94 suffix might mean it's changed? Maybe the Andrews number will work? Too many unanswered questions.

According to Andrews the 3rd countershaft is the same as the 2nd mainshaft. Buell parts book has two separate numbers for each but they look the same in the diagram(like that means anything). They are trying to confuse us so we don't do our own work. I hope someone here can shed some light on this.

I really want to open it up right now but I have to borrow the large sockets and breaker bar again before I can.

Anybody know if that Andrews gear I listed will work?
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Shupe
Posted on Saturday, December 25, 2010 - 08:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sorry, can't help with Andrews info, but my 01 M2 broke of a few dogs on 1st gear last year also.
Dogs got into the primary chain and a lot of damage ensued. I picked up a whole XL tranny on Ebay.
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Skntpig
Posted on Monday, December 27, 2010 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Prebird...What did that cost you approx?
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Jim2
Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The transmission is out and the dogs look fine?
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Littlebuggles
Posted on Friday, December 31, 2010 - 01:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Clutch pack was okay? How are your shift drum (pins drifting out?) and forks?

Anything ugly in the fluids you drained?
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Jim2
Posted on Friday, December 31, 2010 - 02:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's fixed but I still have to put everything back together.

It was all because of a mistake the last time I worked on the transmission. A local bearing supply pulled the old inner bearing race off of the counter shaft for me and I didn't notice the spacer that was supposed to be between the countershaft bearing and the countershaft fourth gear until well after I had the new bearing pressed in and the tranny bolted back in. It seemed fine during testing . Since I didn't put the space back in the counter shaft was pushed about 1/8" to far to the left. This kept first gear from fully engaging. I rode it for a long time like this. Every once in awhile, but not too often, it would pop out of first gear when I was in a low speed (first gear) right hand turn then go back into gear again. It must have barely been grabbing first all this time to suddenly not be able to grab first at all.

Bench test looks good, I'll double check it again before it bolts back in. This time I knew to put red lock-tight on the shift drum pins and drive them back in to where they belong so that is done. I'm putting in brand new shift arm springs just to be sure the spring tension is correct.

I'll report on how it rides when I'm done. Thanks for the suggestions.
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