| Author | Message | ||
     Stevegula |
I cannot get my fuel pump to prime. I got a new (used) pump off eBay and it is having the same issues. My Buell book is for the 99/00 X1, not the '01, and looking at the fusebox the photo shows 6 fuses in teh box but I only have 4. But I'm willing to bet two fuses didn't just fall out. However, feel free to correct me if that's the case. I popped in a new battery, no change. Made sure bike was in neutral and the kickstand was up and the ignition switch was on but still no priming. It turns over, just won't start. I'm not mechanically inclined and don't know where to go from here. Any help would be appreciated. (Message edited by stevegula on August 21, 2010) | ||
| 5liter |
One of the relays might be bad. Pull them out and switch their positions. If the pump primes, you've found the problem. You do need 6 fuses. I believe its 5 15 amp and 1 20 amp. | ||
| Oldog |
steve there is a connector under the tank did you plug it in,? on the later bikes there are only 2 other points that connect the ecm and the battery | ||
| Stevegula |
I don't know how to embed photos so... http://www.stevegula.net/files/IMG_0386.JPG that's my fusebox for my '01 X1. I switched the relays with each other.. I couldn't tell what the bottom relay controlled, but I noticed that when the top was unplugged my dash cut out. Both relays brought it back up so I assume both are good. The fuel pump connector is connected. | ||
| 5liter |
Here's a pic of mine with all the fuses in the proper slots.  | ||
| Stevegula |
5Liter - Is yours a 2001? Notice your relays aren't in the same box like they are on mine. | ||
| 5liter |
2002. I didn't take the bodywork off for the pic, just the seat. Mine's an S3T. (Message edited by 5liter on August 25, 2010) | ||
| Azrael_cervale |
My 2001 X1 has 2 fuse blocks, one populated like the one pictured above and one with fuses and relays. By the looks of your pics id say your missing a few fuses. Best bet is to put 15 ampers in all the slots and see how that goes. all my fuses are 15 or 20. | ||
| Stevegula |
I checked again. I'm missing the one for "clock/odo" but.. well they're working fine. ? the two I'm "missing" are the spares according to the diagram next to my block. | ||
| Stevegula |
All new fuses. FI plugged. Nothing happening. | ||
| 5liter |
The "clock/odo" fuse is missing and they still work? Something's not right or am I missing your point? | ||
| Stevegula |
I've never noticed a missing fuse and I've never noticed the ODO not ticking up or the clock not working. Either way it's all there now and still no fuel pressure. Is there anywhere else I should check for a bad connection? Check engine light goes off and never flashes, pump is plugged in at the one part where I know it to be plugged in (see attached). http://www.stevegula.net/files/photo-2.jpg http://www.stevegula.net/files/photo-3.jpg | ||
| Jramsey |
Do you own a test light or a V/O meter? If not get one or both. They make life much easier chasing down electrical problems. | ||
| Stevegula |
Jramsey - no, the other issue I wouldn't know where to look if I had one. I can deduce I should expect a certain level of voltage to be coming across 2 of the 4 pins in the fuel pump connector, but I don't know what it means if it isn't (or is). | ||
| Jramsey |
With a test light(cheapie$5) you hook the wired lead clip to a ground( verify by touching to the + side of battery) then with the ign. on you can probe the connectors and/or wires to see if they're hot. Shotgunning with parts won't fix a bad connection or broken wire. You didn't state how the bike ran before or other problems that might help with a diagnoses or fix. | ||
| Stevegula |
so what I did have laying around is a 2.1v green LED. Connecting two particular pins caused some lighting at a level I would say was more than the LED could handle. Connecting one of those pins to another caused green lighting. At least from there I can say what's the ground, what's the low voltage (that dictates fuel pressure right?) and the high voltage (power for the pump?). | ||
| Stevegula |
History of the bike is - dented rim caused bike to sit for a while. I don't recall ever making an effort to start it for a while but it did run /after/ the rim was dented (not particularly small pothole at night at about 35mph). I know at some point the bike was knocked over by someone/thing/weather because one day I came home and noticed the rod from the shift lever to the transmission was bent down around the case instead of being up where it was supposed to be. It sat for about a year before I tried to start it. It wouldn't, so I assumed bad fuel and drained the tank and got a new pump (admittedly no new filter yet but that's on the list). Right now when I turn on the ignition everything lights up, it says it's in neutral, but I never hear the fuel pump turn on or even sound like it's trying. I've checked every connection I can for something being loose or frayed and I've put in a fresh battery. | ||
| Jramsey |
12 volts. Fuel pressure is controlled by a regulator attached to the pump, not voltage. | ||
| Stevegula |
my roommate has a tester that came with an auto remote starter kit. It has a red light to identify positive power sources, and a green light that should light with the red when a circuit is proper (from what I read of the instruction manual). I identify two positive power sources through the fuel pump but never got a green light. | ||
| 5liter |
If it fell over, have you checked the "tip over" switch? It shuts off the pump in case the bike drops. | ||
| Stevegula |
Just pulled it. You can feel it has 3 positions. Moving it around didn't change anything. Connecting the pins on the plug didn't change anything (not that I know I was doing it properly). | ||
| Stevegula |
can I get a recommendation on a fuel filter and where to get it? Places near me don't care Buell parts (and really just aren't helpful to Buell owners). I assume there's probably a HD filter or generic filter at Autozone I could replace mine with. I'm not finding anything at americansportbike.com | ||
| Preybird1 |
I have this same filter on my X1 and it works great and looks dam good. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/K-N-Billet-Alloy-Fi nned-Fuel-Filter-Cleanable-NEW-500-_W0QQcmdZViewIt emQQhashZitem4ceddfea2dQQitemZ330408389165QQptZMot orcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories | ||
| Stevegula |
Bought. Along with new spark plugs, a trouble code dongle, 2001 service manual to replace my 2000 manual, and two new relays in case they aren't functioning but I'm pretty sure they are. | ||
| 5liter |
Be sure to post what was wrong. I'm interested in what you find. | ||
| Stevegula |
I'll go ahead and predict it now: 2 weeks from now I'll be $200-$300 lighter and still not have a running bike. | ||
| Stevegula |
check out these engine codes :-) I'm honestly having trouble figuring these outs. Initially I could tell it was throwing the bank angle sensor.. forgot to plug it back in after I pulled it to test it.. I don't think it's throwing that one anymore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TSzuKzrcAA | ||
| Azrael_cervale |
11 - Throttle Position Sensor 16 - Battery Voltage 33 - Fuel Pump 44 - Bank Angle Sensor According to the book it look like you either have an open in the fuel pump circuit (could be a fuse or bad connection) or your pump is bad altogether. My X1 is the same year let me know if you need any pics or info. | ||
| Gowindward |
Does the '01 have a couple of diodes in the starter and ignition circuits like the '99? I'm looking at my '99/'00 service manual starting on page 7-8. I did not see them in your photos of your fuse block. The diodes look like a black fuse with an arrow and bar symbol on them instead of a number like a fuse. Bike is not going any place without them. | ||
| Stevegula |
they are below the fuses.. i can't find replacements... probably blocked in the photo by them.. two small black plastic things like fuses right? I don't know how to test them. |
