| Author | Message | ||
     Adsva83 |
I have a rattling noise that I haven't been able to pin-point on my X1 but I think I found it. It seems to be coming from the exhaust. I have a carbon fiber vance & hines. I've noticed some packing material showing up on my kickstand and the left side of my swing arm. I'm not sure if it is all blown out, or how much is left in the exhaust, it will need re-packing. The question is, what holds the baffle in place? If there is no packing around the outside of the baffle, could this be causing the rattle when I give it gas? I haven't had the exhaust apart so i'm not sure if the baffle is somehow fixed inside or if it is "free floating" with the packing holding it in place. | ||
| Fasted |
packing holds it in place. once the packing starts to go, the baffle gets loose, and the constant hammering of the exhaust pulses beats the shit out of it. parts, including a box of rivets will be $40-$65 depending on source, materials, and shipping charges. if you buy a v&h brand baffle. no doubt generic would lower by #10-$15 | ||
| Littlebuggles |
American Sport Bike sells the baffle (which is supported by the packing but is held in place by three allen screws) it's in the $20-30 range. Packing is of similar cost if I remember correctly. The baffle is fairly fragile at the welds to the base plate that attaches' to the end cap, I had mine re-welded, but the welder says it was a pain. | ||
| Easy_rider |
I've heard that the carbon fiber really doesn't like the heat from "unfiltered" exhaust. Get new packing in there quick! | ||
| Nallac |
The baffle is/or should be welded to the removeable end cap on one end,the other slides over the inlet end pipe. I have had to weld my baffle twice. Cheap shite thin baffle.Eventually replaced it with proper car exhaust tube baffling.Nice and thick/strong. I'm currently using pink Batts fibreglass wall insulation for packing,got sick of paying for proper bike packing after it got spat outa the exhaust twice in 3months. $50 down the drain(road).... you can see a bit of remaining baffle in this pic.  | ||
| Adsva83 |
What if anything am I going to harm if I remove the baffle until I get a packing kit ordered? | ||
| Littlebuggles |
Imagine this with very thin carbon fiber and nothing else...  It's your pipe, and your bike but I wouldn't do it. I imagine the vibration, or exhaust pulses will tear it up the fastest. Preybird1 ran one on his X1 briefly and it tore itself apart, all of the epoxy sort of came loose and he was left with a flexible c.f. sleeve. If you can find a generic (as Fasted suggested) sturdy core like the atuomotive part (that Nallac suggested) to have welded in you'll have a stronger pipe in the long run. Having the welding done by a muffler shop may only cost a couple bucks and then you can come in at the low end of the cost that Fasted listed above. (Message edited by littlebuggles on June 08, 2010) | ||
| Adsva83 |
I'm not a huge fan of the exhaust so I guess the question is do I spend the money to re-pack, and possibly do it every 5-7000 miles, or buy a different slip on? | ||
| Littlebuggles |
There are more robust pipes out there. If you repack it tightly and with a good packing it will last longer, if that helps at all... When I put a V&H on my bike I lost midrange power from the lack of back pressure. I had run a White Brothers pipe prior to that, which was a disc type pipe. I found a used Super Trapp here, it also needed repack and more discs and new hardware, and another hanger... weighs a ton but sounds good and gives me the type of power delivery I like. It is a solid slip-on that will last. If you like the c.f. keep your eyes open for a Borla slip on for the 99-02 tube frames, sweet pipes that sound great and are more solidly built than the c.f. V&H or Jardines. | ||
| Adsva83 |
How about the D&D, what's the quality/sound compared to the V&H? | ||
| Nukeblue |
d&d is the best quality for sure. no re-pack but heavy. oh and its TONS louder! | ||
| Littlebuggles |
Yeah, I was gonna get a D&D but the noise factor turned me off. I don't want to have to wear ear plugs, and I can't roll out of the neighborhood before starting the bike, AND really loud bikes offend me. I mean, aren't our bike sweet enough that we shouldn't really have to scream out "Look at me!" every time we get on the throttle? Most bikes are really, in my opinion. Loud is just rude to me. Oops, stepping off the soapbox now... | ||
| Adsva83 |
I guess I would have to hear the D&D to really understand how loud we're talking. On my previous m2 I also had a Vance n Hines that needed packing. Just for grins and giggles one day I took the end cap completely off and found it had no baffle or packing at all. Without the end cap it was RIDICULOUSLY loud. Would the D&D be similar to a Vance n Hines with no internals? | ||
| Ebutch |
Vance-Hines on S2T 128,000++++ miles no repack and Quiet deep.Borella deeper and Quiet.I want to gut VH and leave end cap off.Will see how Bike runs.I really like sound of idle with-out muff but no idea of how it will run????  | ||
| Littlebuggles |
It will be disappointing under regular acceleration and extremely loud under WOT, which is the only place likely to see any power gain from a completely free flowing exhaust, from my understanding. Some people like the noise enough that the loss of performance isn't really an issue. | ||
| Adsva83 |
Nobody said I wanted to take the end cap off and ride my bike around like that. I was using it as a comparison, "Is the D&D as loud as this would be." I've never heard one so I don't have anything to compare it to is all. | ||
| Littlebuggles |
Seems like they might have been included in the dyno shoot-out posted on the American Sport Bike web page but I can't access that from work anymore due to new filters. I only decided against it because all I ever heard was loud with regard to the pipe. The shoot-out was for XB pipes but if D&D offered them for the XB's I suppose the results would mean something... there's a lot of supposition on my part here though, I just knew I didn't want a loud pipe =] | ||
| Nukeblue |
the d&d was about as loud as the force street fighter pipe i had on my old cyclone. pretty much straight pipe loud. v&h has the best sound if you ask me | ||
| Kalali |
The thing I like about the V&H is that it does not get raspy as the revs climb and stays deep and low pitch throughout the range. It is also a lot lighter than the other high end exhausts probably putting a bit less stress on the nuts and bolts all the way up to the header. | ||
| Nallac |
Kalali, in my experience lighter = weaker.. | ||
| Ebutch |
110,000 Miles on my V-H alum still Quiet and low,No Repacks!!!!!! No Trouble!!!!!It,s on my S2T.  | ||
| Nallac |
Ebutch,how'd do it.... 4000 miles on mine,repack 3 times,welded up twice...swapped over to my spare(new to me)one with my modded baffle now. | ||
| Ebutch |
Nallac  S2T is stock except for Mikuni,V-H????????? And I love To use it to use it to The Max!!!! (Message edited by ebutch on June 11, 2010) | ||
| Kilroy |
FYI Ebutch I have always thought yours is one of the most beautiful Buells on this board - | ||
| Kalali |
Nallac, if you had to repack three times during (only) 4000 miles, I'd say either the packing material is poor quality, or you may need to check your method. Of course it also depends on how (aggressively) you ride the bike. I'm fairly gentle with my bike and I've had the packing in there for over 7000 miles and it is still real tight in there - no play in the baffle. Do you use the OEM V&H packing sheet? | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
ebuth - great looking bike!!! | ||
| Nallac |
Kalali, yes to both.Poor quality packing, not V&H but shop bought twice and poor instalation. I am using wall batts insulation now,am in the process of regibbing (Drywall for you imperial kinds LOL) and insulating my house,so have an unlimited supply... Oh and i ride it like i stole it and then some.... | ||
| Hugie03flhr |
I would think stainless steel wool would be good for the long haul |
