| Author | Message | ||
     Schwarz633 |
Can someone tell me how to visually confirm that an S1W is in fact an S1W and not an S1? What exactly is a twin tail and race kit? Thanks. | ||
| Reducati |
an s1w will have thundertorm heads, which are black, vs the silver lightning heads...twin tail is a larger two passenger tail, which was an optional "upgrade" if you will on the s1 bikes...race kit?? im guessing race exhaust...some one else will chime in im sure. | ||
| Reducati |
also i believe the vin # will reflect the difference, i forgot what the s1/ s1w difference was...and the s1w had a larger gas tank, while the s1 had a smaller manta gas tank, | ||
| F_skinner |
What Reducati said. (the S1W came with the Manta tank and I do not think it came with the race kit). If you happen to know the VIN: The VIN starts with 4MZSS for an S1 and 4MZYS for S1W Frank | ||
| Fahren |
The smaller tank has a step in its lower edge along the side, so you can easily pick it out, even in a bad photo. A race kit would be add-on intake and exhaust - did not come stock on the bikes. Apparently, the race exhausts are nice. Although it's not as clear a distinction as the black vs. silver head color, the older S1's did not have the same Nissin front brake caliper as the 1998 S1's and S1w's. At least, I'm pretty sure the caliper difference is by year, not by S1/S1W. | ||
| Court |
>>>I'm pretty sure the caliper difference is by year, not by S1/S1W. You are correct. | ||
| Hootowl |
Brembo if I'm not mistaken. Switched to Nissan because Brembo couldn't/wouldn't make enough units to meet demand. WARNING: This information came from parts of my brain that I have not used in more than 12 years. | ||
| The_italian_job |
in fact, you said Nissan instead of Nissin! LOL | ||
| Hootowl |
<--- can't spell, but hey, give the guy a brake!  for you English professors out there, that was a pun. | ||
| Ratbuell |
S1W did NOT come stock with the race kit. The "kit", as sold by Buell, included an oval carbon fiber air cleaner; a new tuned-length header that had the outlet pointed to the back of the bike instead of to one side; a different stainless steel muffler with riveted endcaps; and a revised ignition box. The twintail was a longer tail section with a more squared off rear end, room for a passenger, and passenger footpegs (stock S1W's did not have passenger pegs, only bare brackets with rubber covers on the mounts). Stock S1W's had the same ol' breadbox as all the tubers (save for the S2). They did have a 2.5" header collector (that came with the thunderstorm engine)...but the header outlet was pointed across the front of the engine and the muffler had the elbow on it. The race header has the elbow on the header. And, as noted - S1W's have all black cylinder heads (no fin highlights)on a silver engine with polished covers (cam and primary). And Frank is, as always, correct on the VIN. 4MZSS versus 4MZYS. If you want any detail shots of a *true and verified* S1W, send me a note. Got one sitting in the garage, I can take pics of whatever you want (and mine does have the race kit...but I also still have the stock intake if you want to see what it looks like). Here's a bone-stock S1W, in an original print ad (solo tail, stock header and muffler, caps on passenger peg mounts):  (Message edited by ratbuell on April 29, 2010) | ||
| The_italian_job |
not every WL had polished covers. here's one without...  | ||
| Ratbuell |
That might be an S1 with thunderstorm heads (I can see the black) - no Manta tank and no 2.5" fatspot on the header collector (looks like a stock 2"). I believe all S1W's *did* come with polished covers. As a matter of fact, the only bikes in any of the product literature I have with the sandcast covers....are the M2. | ||
| Brinnutz |
What early bikes came with the PM Front Caliper with the Pegasus engraved on it (it was a PM front caliper wasn't it)? Was it both the S2 and S1, or just the S2 (I know for sure one came stock on those) that came with it (pre-98 Nissin of course)? | ||
| Blks1l |
My 97 S1 has the PM front caliper. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I think the PM came on 95/96/97. Nissin on 98-up. | ||
| The_italian_job |
Joe, even the X1WL have the sandcast covers. it might be that the S1WL for the European (that's an Italian S1) were different than the ones for the US market, I'm not sure. but that's an S1WL from VIN number, a friend of mine owns it...  | ||
| Ratbuell |
Hm, might be a Euro thing then. Did your friends' bike come with the small tank too? I seem to recall the X1W came with black cases here in the states...but don't have any literature for '99-'02. Yet | ||
| The_italian_job |
not sure about it. but I bought my S1WL with the small tank, and it was an all black originally, black plastics with black frame and wheels. it is not really clear in my opinion all the color combinations through the MY's and the different markets, since I've seen different color combinations. I've seen a white frame with orange plastics that looked amazing... | ||
| Ratbuell |
From the posters I have, there were four frame colors available on S1W: Black, White, Titanium, and Nuke Blue. Each frame was available with one of four bodywork colors: Ice White Pearl, Carbon Black, Molten Orange, or Billet Metallic. 16 possible color combinations total. Frame color matched wheel color, unless the bike had polished PM wheels. And, looking at the posters and all the literature I have...and research/info I've gathered over the years...every last one has a Manta tank, silver engine cases with black heads and polished covers, an unpainted stainless muffler, a 2.5" header, a silver swingarm and sidestand, factory solo tail with Pro Series/"Euro" solo seat, passenger peg delete with rubber caps, and Nissin front brakes. Now....I know next to nothing about the Lightning Strike, which from what I have gathered is the European version of the White Lightning. Perhaps Court or 1313 can chime in here.... And, S1W was 1998 only. S1 was '96-98; '99 started the X1 Lightning, killing the S1 and taking the Lightning name to Thunderstorm/EFI along with the "bagger" S3. | ||
| 1313 |
The Lightning Strike was the European version of the S1W. VERY minor component differences. 2" exhaust was the biggest. Then there was the rear inner fender that had a larger plate mounting area and a 'hoop' that connected to different axle adjuster end caps to support the larger plates. Somewhat related: I was pulled over by the Michigan State Police doing 90 on an S1 testing that fender and 'hoop' on I-94 en route to one of the first of the reincarnated Woodward Dream Cruises - and got LET GO! But I was sweating bullets! 1313 |
