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Willkayler
Posted on Sunday, February 21, 2010 - 10:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Im fairly new with the buells and i started to change the priary cover gasket and didnt know to pay attention to timing marks. can someone please give some tips.
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Willkayler
Posted on Sunday, February 21, 2010 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

its a 2001 X1
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Sunday, February 21, 2010 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

primary cover on the left side of the bike? or cam cover on the right side of the bike?

I'm assuming you're asking about how to align the cam gears in the proper timing. There's a good picture that gets circulated around badweb. Can't seem to find it using this nearly useless search function though.
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Willkayler
Posted on Sunday, February 21, 2010 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

the cam cover on the right
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Sunday, February 21, 2010 - 11:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)



this isn't as good as one I've seen, but maybe it will help. The service manual should have a drawing too.
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Willkayler
Posted on Sunday, February 21, 2010 - 11:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

How do i get the gear loose from the cover?
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, February 21, 2010 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Step 1 - BUY A MANUAL

Step 2 - READ the manual

Step 3 - work carefully through the steps to make your repair.

Do you have the cover off yet?

Did you pull the rockerboxes and the pushrods to take the side loads off the camshafts?

Did you put the engine at TDC?

Have you drilled the 2 rivets that hold the "X1" round cover on, removed 2 screws and standoffs, dropped the sensor out of the way and removed the last screw to take the timing cup off the end of the cam?

These are all steps that are in the manual....it's a very straightforward repair if you follow the right steps.
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Sunday, February 21, 2010 - 11:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

if your bike is stock, it still has rivets in the timing cover (the round one with 1203cc lightning or something like that on it) drill the tips of the rivets off enough to take the cover off. beneath it you'll find the cam sensor plate with 2 phillips head screws. take those off and then you're looking at the timing cup (i think that's what it's called) take the screw out of it and you should be able to pull that #2 cam gear out of the back of the cover.

When replacing the decorative timing cover during reassembly, you can use rivets, but many people tap holes with self tapping screws and use some short button head allens instead of the rivets.

A service manual would help you a lot for this type of stuff.
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Oldog
Posted on Sunday, February 21, 2010 - 11:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

damn thats 2 back to back
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Willkayler
Posted on Sunday, February 21, 2010 - 11:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

the rivets were already drilled and i have the cam gear off now. sorry for the dumb questions im new at the v twins
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Dan9460
Posted on Sunday, February 21, 2010 - 11:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

fyi you can buy a manual for most tubers online for $6 bucks at this site...

http://www.tradebit.com/tagworld.php/buell
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

As long as you're in there, you should replace your stock oil pump drive gear with the new stronger part, stock on 06+

Al carries them.

http://www.americansportbike.com/shoponline/ccp0-p rodshow/17126.html
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Kalali
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Do you have to do all this if you are just changing the gasket?
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 01:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yes.

You have to do "all this" in order to get the cover off the proper way.

Valvesprings push down (hard) on the pushrods, which push on the lifters, which push on the cams. The outer end of the cams rides in the cover that's being removed. Remove the cover and only one end of the cam is supported - and the valvesprings are pushing HARD on those cams, so you run the chance of cracking the engine case where the inner end of the cam lives.

The end of the rear intake cam (the larger one in the pic above, second from left) has a screw that attaches the timing cup to the cam, and the cup lives outside the cover. You have to remove that screw, and the cup, to get the cover off.

I cannot say this enough, or emphasize it enough - IF YOU'RE GOING TO DISASSEMBLE YOUR BUELL, BUY THE MANUAL FIRST.
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Fahren
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Q: How do you keep your husband from reading your e-mail?

A: Rename the mail folder 'Instruction Manual.'

Erik should have included pix of nekked girls in the manuals..........
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Spiderman
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Fahren
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 04:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey, that's not Captain Picard!!!
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Spiderman
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah Picard is getting tired...
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 07:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I can't believe two in a row.
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Buellistic
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hope someone has said to take the valve spring tension off the push rods before removing the cam cover ???

That is if you deside to do it also ??


This works on both PRIMARY COVER and CAM COVER for better GASKET CONTROL ...

Go to the local mom & pop hardware store and get some long bolts, cut the heads off and use them as guides to put gasket and cover on ...



(Message edited by buellistic on February 23, 2010)
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 09:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Did you pull the rockerboxes and the pushrods to take the side loads off the camshafts?

You mean like that? (quoted from the 7th post above...)
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Willkayler
Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

yes i did. got it all back together now. just waiting on a fuel pump.
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