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Maru
| | Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 06:52 pm: | 
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I have a 90 inch S1 and I did a lot of research before buying parts. My first inclination was to go with Aluminum with Nicasil for the light weight and better cooling. I heard too many stories stories like Brian's and ended up not using Nicasil despite its theoretical advantages. |
Phelan
| | Posted on Monday, February 08, 2010 - 07:28 pm: |
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Scott, there are thousands of people on the XL Forum (xlforum.net) who have gotten 1250 kits and bigger on their bikes, of all variants. You could always browse their pages to see what people have to say about them. |
Flyin_brian
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - 11:07 pm: |
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This is getting interesting. Now I caused the cylinder failure by embedding the abrasives in the cylinder walls? If the abrasives are THAT difficult to remove from the cylinder, maybe they should try washing them out before they ship them to us shade tree mechanics?
Whatever you choose, I hope it works out. I'm sure RP and all the other companies have figured out the right combination and they probably work great with the new piston design. The only part I was trying to pass on to others was that my cylinders failed, along with hundreds of other people who ordered right around the same time, and our customer service experience left us angry. Yes, the hard chrome plating process is used on plenty of vehicles and engine types... all I am saying is if you end up having a failure and your parts are from Revolution Performance, don't expect them to honor their "lifetime warranty". |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 12:25 am: |
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"don't expect them to honor their "lifetime warranty"."
Says the disgruntled man who cannot follow instructions and thinks his cylinders were "hard chrome plated".
I'll personally vouch that Brian Nallin and associates at Revolution Performance will honor their warranty as advertised. |
Scott_in_nh
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 09:12 am: |
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I have no horse in this race yet as I think I am years from purchasing a 1250 kit.
When I do purchase a kit, I want nikasil for all of the positive reasons posted above.
I am sure Rev Perf. is constantly striving to improve their product but stuff can and does happens - that is why there is a warranty.
If, when I am ready for purchase, I am convinced they have the best product and support - I will buy their kit!
You are correct Blake, they honored their warranty because they do not warranty parts they did not manufacture, but if Brian is being honest in his posts - shouldn't Rev at least helped him with his claim with the piston manufacturer?
Shouldn't they state what the manufacturers warranty is on parts that come with their kits?
Though it may be there somewhere, I cannot find on the Rev site who makes their pistons - how am I supposed to find out what the warranty is?
Revolution Performance, LLC strives to provide high quality products and services and to deliver a positive customer experience. For this reason we provide the following warranties on our products and services.
Revolution Cylinders come with a Lifetime Warranty against warpage or plating defects.
Cylinder head preparation is covered by a 90 day warranty on our workmanship defects only.
Crankshaft preparation is covered by a 90 day warranty on our workmanship defects only.
Within the warranty period Revolution Performance, LLC will repair or replace any component specifically related to workmanship defect issues.
Any and all other third party components not specifically manufactured by Revolution Performance, LLC are subject to their specific manufacturers’ warranties.
Every claim is a unique situation handled on a case by case basis. Revolution Performance, LLC reserves the right to investigate any defects at any point during the warranty period.
If there are any questions on our warranty please contact us at 866-892-2109.
To return merchandise purchased from Revolution Performance, LLC that you believe or are instructed is covered by this warranty, see our Returns Policy page.
The Details:
RIGHTS RESERVED:
Revolution Performance LLC, hereafter referred to as Revolution, reserves the right to make changes in design, materials and specifications on products, engines and kits without incurring liability or obligation with respect to similar products previously manufactured or sold. Our R&D program never stops; improvements may be made at any time.
LIMITED WARRANTY:
Revolution continually strives to provide products and services in support of racing and high performance, which reflect our reputation and ongoing efforts at improving the sport of motorcycling. Revolution warrants all parts manufactured by Revolution to be free from defects in design and workmanship. Should the parts be found to be, or become, defective during any stated warranty period, Revolution will, at its option, repair or replace any, or all, defective parts. Revolution will maintain no obligation under the terms of this warranty in the event the parts become defective as a result of improper assembly, installation, break-in, maintenance or use, or any other misuse or mistreatment of the parts including, without limitation, operation of the parts with fuels, oils or lubricants not conforming to specifications published by Revolution or continued operation of the parts after a defect or malfunction occurs, is identified or suspected. Revolution will have no obligation under this warranty for parts defective due to alteration including, but not limited to, chroming, polishing, powder coating, painting, removing and modifying components, shot peening, bead blasting, modification, repair or unauthorized service, even when such services or modifications may be performed by Revolution at the request of the end user.
All items not manufactured by Revolution are warranted to be free from defects only under the terms outlined by the specific manufacturer. Any repair or replacement of these parts is at the sole discretion of the specific manufacturers. Determination of obligation under the terms of this warranty will only be made once the components or assemblies have been received and inspected by Revolution or the third party component manufacturer.
There is absolutely no warranty on the following:
Any parts used in a racing application
Any part that has been physically altered, improperly installed or maintained
Any product used in improper applications, abused or not used in conjunction with the proper parts
Any product that has been placed into, or continued in operation, without proper setup, to include but not limited to carburetor jetting, ignition timing or lubrication
Any product that has been damaged by ingestion or introduction of foreign matter or objects through the intake, oiling system or other source.
All items sold, for installation by the end user, are considered by law to be customer assembled items and carry no liability to the distributor or maker. This warranty does not cover any consequential, incidental, or special damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use the parts, components or vehicle to which the parts or components are installed. Some states do not allow the exclusion or limitation of incidental or consequential damages, so the above exclusion may not apply to you.
LIABILITY DISCLAIMER:
Products sold and marketed by Revolution are intended primarily for racing or high performance use by experienced and skilled riders, which implies that these products will be pushed to severe and unusual limits. Revolution has no control over the installation and usage of these items and in no way can Revolution assume any liability or responsibility for damage or injury of any type resulting from their use. Revolution shall not be liable for any indirect or consequential damages whatsoever.
DISCLAIMER:
The words Harley-Davidson, Harley, H-D, Buell, Thunderstorm, Deuce, Screamin’ Eagle, Sportster, Evolution, Low Rider, Super Glide, Wide Glide, Dyna Glide, Softail, Heritage Softail, Electra Glide, Fat Bob, Fat Boy, Bad Boy, FL, FLH, FXR, FXRS, FX, FXE, FXS, FXWG, FXST, FLST, FXSTS, FLSTF, FLSTN, FXD, FXDB, FXDS, FXDWG, FLT, FLHT, FLHS, FLHR, XR, XL, XLH, XLX, 883 and others are registered trademarks of Harley-Davidson, Inc., and are used for reference only and are not intended to imply that these parts are manufactured or endorsed in any way by Harley-Davidson, Inc. Revolution is not affiliated in any way with Harley-Davidson, Inc., or The Harley-Davidson Motor Company.
Important Note:
Some performance modifications to original equipment carburetor, exhaust and/or engine components may not be legal for sale or use on pollution or noise controlled vehicles, except those used in closed-course competition. Check your federal & local laws before ordering.
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Oldog
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 01:04 pm: |
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This is getting interesting. Now I caused the cylinder failure by embedding the abrasives in the cylinder walls?
thats about the size of it,
by your admission you failed to follow the instructions, and I bet you did not call and ask them about the deviation from the recomended install procedure, We all make mistakes, I have a big hand full of wrecked parts because I failed to catch a problem, while doing a top end repair to my X1, I learned a valuable lesson about haste while doing a critical job.
I say it again, If you have doubts about using nicasil, and can get GOOD iron cylinders / pistons etc usem the OE are iron and work |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 01:55 pm: |
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"Though it may be there somewhere, I cannot find on the Rev site who makes their pistons - how am I supposed to find out what the warranty is?"
quote:At Revolution Performance we will offer to our customers pistons that we would personally run in our own race or street engines. We carry a full line of pistons from the world’s leading manufacturers such as CP, Wiseco, and JE!
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Flyin_brian
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 03:06 pm: |
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Blake: Have you ever warrantied anything from Rev Perf? If not, then how can you personally vouch for anything? Do you work at RP or something?
I don't understand why you have to use a smart ass remark about me calling it "hard chrome". That's what Axtell calls it, since Nikasil is a proprietary name.
Old dog: I appreciate you giving your opinion, but I told RP how I cleaned the cylinders and they didn't have any problem with it. I've been building motors for over 25 years and that's the way I have always cleaned a cylinder. The cylinders I am running now have 40,000 miles on them and burn absolutely no oil.
Maybe you should take a look on their website and watch their installation video where they recommend doing EXACTLY what I did:
http://www.revperf.com/video/BigBoreInstallation.html
They are spraying the bore with brake cleaner and wiping with a rag.
(Message edited by Flyin_brian on February 10, 2010) |
Sdecp
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 03:13 pm: |
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I wanted to stay out of the discussion preferring to watch from the sidelines; however, I guess I am feeling guilty.
I bought from Brian himself. I called and he walked me through everything. I was confident about my purchase when I tried to purchase additional hardware and Brian stopped me and told me I did not need it. I felt like that if Brian was the guy in it for the money only, he would have ran with the bill.
I am a relatively novice wrench turner and Brian gave me his direct number and told me to call him anytime I wanted and he would walk me through any installation problems I had.
I have been nothing but happy with my setup. It was exactly what I asked for and they were very patient with me when I called them almost everyday (I was really excited) and asked more questions and requested build updates (I am sure I was annoying). I think if I had been on the other side of the phone, I would have told myself to get lost.
When it comes to basically everything from customer service, parts, expertise, support and performance, I got everything I wanted and more.
When I am ready to do this again, I will happily call Brian first. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 03:54 pm: |
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My experience as well. Another huge plus is that neither Brian nor his friends or customers go trolling around internet forums badmouthing the competition. That has been a problem coming from other less reputable shops.
Nicasil = Nickel-Silicon-Carbide no "chrome"
Hard-Chrome = ? It must be chrome.
I think Axtell may have switched from what they previously badged "nicom" to a different plating. They apparently had troubles with the nicom, which they had plated by others. Millennium/Revolution Performance do all their own plating. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 03:55 pm: |
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To clarify, I think Axtell makes an excellent product. You won't go wrong with them. Ron Dickey is top notch. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 04:02 pm: |
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"Blake: Have you ever warrantied anything from Rev Perf? If not, then how can you personally vouch for anything? Do you work at RP or something? "
I don't need to. I know Brian, his character and his commitment to his customers. I've seen him go way above and beyond in customer service to make things right. Sometimes however there are simply some folks who cannot be pleased. You are talking about a place that puts out upwards of ten thousand cylinders per month. The also recondition cylinders for some of the nation's top race teams. It's simply out of line for a few disgruntled naysayers to come here posting for all the world to see their dim view of the place. It tells a lot more about the posters than it does Revolution Performance. The fact that you remain here intent on your maligning of a good company is really unfortunate.
I'm sorry your performance upgrade went bad. Stuff happens. Move on. |
Oldog
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 09:01 pm: |
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I've been building motors for over 25 years and that's the way I have always cleaned a cylinder.
OK my remarks still stand, the instructions as you related them called for washing in soapy water,
I just did a top end job, and rings were not an issue (Iron liners) washem in the kitchen sink, hot soapy water wipe em dry repeat and then oil, they sat up for 2 weeks waiting on head work,
FYI the rear cylinder was re-used with a hone and re-ring comp with in 3 psi of a new jug, and with in 5 of the motor prior to tear down for busted bolt, first harley motor, not my first motor either, hot soapy water clean white paper towls and oil when clean simple
BTW dawn dish soap works ok and its way cheaper than a can of brake clean..} |
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