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Kalali
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Does anyone know off-hand the size of the hex socket for the inspection hole? I assume it is a hex. Also for the timing/CPS cover rivets, do you just start with a small size drill bit and keep increasing the bit size until the entire rivet is all drilled out? Anything to watch out for? Needless to say I want to check and if necessary adjust the static timing.
Thanks.
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Jramsey
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 02:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The hex is 3/8".

The rivets are 5/32"

Use a 5/32" bit and don't go to deep.

If unsure put a stop on the drill bit, you only need to go about 1/4" deep to knock out the rivets.

I tapped the holes on mine 10-32 and used Stainless button heads, some use sheet metal self tappers.

Before buttoning back up blow out chips and rivet remains.
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14d
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Self tapping screws for timing cover, HD PN 2662W. Probably easier to just grab some from a hardware store unless you're at the dealer for something else.
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Jramsey
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 09:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Do what you want but IMO hex head self tappers belong in HVAC duct work in the basement.
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Captainkirk
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 11:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ditto jramsey. I used stainless button head Phillips screws and tapped the holes. Looks better, works better, too.
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14d
Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 12:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The HD one's are thread cutting, and effectively thread the holes in the base plate. Worked well so far. I put anti seize on them and the ones securing the base to the cover, as one of the original ones was seized and I had to use an EZ out on it.
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Kalali
Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 07:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

As always, very much appreciate the input and the tips.
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I used the self tapping screws from HD, then installed regular button head hex screws from the hardware store. Didn't want to leave the self tapping in there permanently..
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Kalali
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I tried the method described in the ECMSPY tuning guide and the timing seemed to be OK. I asked my wife to look through the hole while I turned the rear wheel while watching the 0 and 5 window on ECMSPY. Turning the rear wheel (even with the bike in 5th gear) wasn't as easy as I expected and did require a good bit of force. Is that normal or I didn't quite get it in the 5th gear?
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Leftcoastal
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Spark plug removal will facilitate engine turnover process.
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Oldog
Posted on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 12:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

kal,
teh valve springs and compression can hinder movement.
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 01:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Al is right (big surprise there) : p

after the 10.5:1 upgrade, I physically couldn't turn Betty over with the rear wheel & 5th gear method without pulling the plugs. Even if you can turn it over without pulling them, it will be a lot easier to check timing after removing them because the engine turns over a little smoother instead of lurching away from TDC so suddenly on every revolution.
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Kalali
Posted on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 07:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Damn, I feel so stupid now...
Note to self: Do not work on bike, car, kitchen faucet on Saturday (or any) morning after you had too much to drink the night before.
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