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     F_skinner |
New thread, let the other one die! I read the old isolator thread (in the archives now) with great interest it was very good reading with a lot of theories, data and practical solutions that were tried. We are talking about tubers and isolators in a general since. Maybe we should poll to try and find a trend. For example, model, year, miles on bike total and miles that the isolator failed Isolator type and riding habits. Maybe a trend can be determined that contains useful data or maybe not. Try this:
If there are fields that need to be added the add them. I am not the keeper of this list. Just add your data then repost it. Riding styles are Easy, Moderate and Aggressive. I know Riding Style it is too subjective but if someone has a better idea then fire away. I do not have the time or inclination to develop something objective. Personally I think there are several factors at work like motor alignment and motor type but maybe this will be useful to someone and maybe a better isolator will come out if it. Frank | |||
| Blackm2 |
Good idea Frank. This would be more useful to the Barry people than a bunch of guys bugging them.
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| F_skinner |
I am confused on the different isolators in question. I use the ones from American Sport Bike but I have never looked at them that closely. Could someone give a run down of what the different ones are? Thanks, Frank | |||
| Court |
Frank: I have just received the engineering information I'd promised to get when the "thread gone wild" gave up it's decency to the ill mannered. I am pleased that both I (a construction worker in NYC) and the nice engineer at Barry Controls both knew precisely the same amount about the problem. I, unlike him, am not at risk of loosing my job by violating corporate policy and placing my firms largest account at risk by circumventing company, and the vendor contract, procedures and dealing directly with the end user. Let me know when is a convenient time and I'll call and bring you up to date on the facts. They'll be interesting contrast to the plethora of theories and guesses. I'll also get you the contact information to exchange data with. Court T | |||
| F_skinner |
Court, you are welcome to call me any time. I may need to charge the phone batteries.  I am home around 4pm MST or 6pm your time and that is the best time. Frank | |||
| Spiderman |
Frank, Send me an abridged version of your and Court's Convo. I need to replace the iso on the S2 this year. Thanks | |||
| Oldog |
Frank there are basicaly 3 That I am aware of they are the 79D ( the latest update of our isolator that has to be modified to be used on a tube frame Buell ) The OE Barry controls unit "79C" now Buells "L0 05" (bolts right in) [ the problem unit ] After market units Made by Lord and sold by Drag specialties. also a bolt in Perhaps we can just post on the thread VS some one keep a sheet, AND limit chatter on thread to listing posts, AND data that Court or an INFORMED Source obtains, BTW Thanks Frank.... (Message edited by Oldog on July 17, 2009) | |||
| Dpg |
Wish I could add my history to this document, but my original isolator was undamaged going on 25,000 miles. I did have both mount bolts shear off at the head. Have a new ASBN replacement sitting on the shelf and installed the NRHS billet mount. Anywhere to add this info for reference? I'm wondering why the factory OEM mount is about $60 and there were a few suppliers (not HD/Buell) that had replacement isolators for around $30 with the same -79D parts number referenced. Safe ride, Gary in Oaktown | |||
| Oldog |
2001 x1 39,000 moderate three isos replaced ~ Prior to problem all lasted 2+ years or more first L0501.2 ~ 30,000 failed about 4750 later (about 1 year) second L0501.2 ~ 1800 less than 6 months 3rd Drag specialties, TBD bolts in head failed NHRS head mount & new bolts | |||
| Blackm2 |
Jim, so that DS part is made by Lord? How many miles do you have on it at this point? | |||
| Oldog |
please list failures and milages thanks BlkM2- you have mail thanks.. | |||
| Bikerjim99 |
My isolator failed at 39,000 miles. Replaced with DS iso, head bolts failed within 300 miles. Sold my S3 soon after, seemingly no fix available. I miss it. | |||
| 13was13 |
How about modding this one? http://delphi.com/shared/pdf/ppd/chsteer/mr_pwrtrn _mount.pdf The company headquarters are in Troy, Michigan. | |||
| F_skinner |
I need to replace the iso on the S2 this year I think you will be ok with the one you can get from Al or any Buell dealer. I have been using them for awhile and have many miles on the one in the S2T. I am not sure how much of a problem this is on the S2s which is why I wanted to know the model of the bikes affected. The S2 (lower HP, less vibration) vice the S3 (high HP, more vibration) may be at an advantage. Maybe someone that has both a S3 and S2 can comment on that. Time will tell. For now I will say you are good to go with the one you can get at any Buell dealer. I do carry a spare as well as a spare belt, air pump, tools, oil etc. I have always done that. My S2-T has never left me stranded. My S1W (well that is another story and my fault). Empirical research is the key. Complaining and demanding a fix will have less than stellar results. Frank | |||
| Ebutch |
Don,t carry those but do carry rubber rope and a bunch of CO2s + install tools.  | |||
| Guell |
Frank, any idea on the ds iso, i have one sitting here, since it was cheap, wonder if i would be better served with a buell iso though, i do have a 97 cyclone, so it has lightning heads. | |||
| F_skinner |
Guell, I have no idea. I am sorry but I just do not know enough about the failures but other people here have done a lot of things with all isolators and can probably comment. I have been using the ones I get from Al at American Sport Bike. I check them often and figured I would replace them every two years anyway. The bike I just bought may have the DS isolator on it. When I rode it I did not notice any vibration out of the norm but it looks a little chewed up. I will be taking it off soon to examine it. To tell you the truth I just ride the bikes and when the isolators fail I replace them. It is as easy as that however, I would not want to do that every 500 miles like some have reported. I think I saved my old ones and am going to take a look at them this weekend. Frank | |||
| Psycrow |
DS iso installed 1 week ago, 1000Kms later (day one of a 4 day 2000KM trip) failed.. Rubber ripped away from metal sleave. Install it your own peril.... Sorry. Psy. | |||
| Jmkybf |
I had my original iso rip at ~20,000 miles, I replaced it with a DS. I've had my DS iso on for ~2 months and ~3500 miles. I just checked it, and no rips or signs of failure. | |||
| Guell |
good to know, ill toss this one in and check it | |||
| F_skinner |
There are some peoples advice on this site I really respect, 1313, Gowindward, Ebutch, Oldog, Buellistic and others. I would check the front motor mount to make sure it is properly installed and has not moved out of alignment. That seems to make the most since to me however I am not discounting isolators. Great discussion on failures and non failures. I just checked all mine and with the exception of the one I just bought they all look good. Of course I think you feel it way before you see it. I pulled the original isolator on my 95 S2 with 20000 miles and it is torn at the bottom. I made a mistake on my 96 S2-T. I replaced it at 9000 miles, the original is fine and so is the one I replaced it with and it now has 18000 miles. I used the one from American Sport Bike. | |||
| Sportyeric |
On my S2, at 65,000, I replaced front and rear isolators. I think one rear was starting to fail. The Buell replacement failed in 2000 or less (I was noticing vibration at 1000 but didn't see the thoroughly shredded rubber til 1000 later. The DS replacement is coming out tommorrow to be replaced by the 79D. I don't mind dealing with quirks or weaknesses in design from time to time but if a new part won't last the weekend while the original lasted a decade, then there is a problem that the parts supplier needs to address. If only to make a statement that they are no longer able to supply a part that is of the same quality of construction as the original. (Message edited by Sportyeric on July 17, 2009) | |||
| Bad_karma |
Court, why not share the data with all of us? Joe | |||
| Tom_b |
Still no real response from anonymous or court.. Go get em tiger(court)..Why not share the data with us all since your just a construction worker?? " I am pleased that both I (a construction worker in NYC) and a nice engineer from Barry Controls knew precisely the same amount about the problem."... Court. Well either nice engineer or the "construction worker" need to wake up and tell the man alledgely with the plan to fix the problem. since this is really nothing new (Message edited by tom_b on July 18, 2009) | |||
| Easy_rider |
I think Court was very clear about why he could not share input. Neither Court or the "nice engineer" owe us an answer, as much as we'd all like the inside info. In an attempt to refrain from being ill-mannered, I won't comment further. Meanwhile, my buddy from Lord wants details..... | |||
| Blackm2 |
Well Frank, it started as a good idea. | |||
| Tom_b |
JUST A CLEAR ANSWER from court or the the factory(anonymous) anybody who has been on this forum know the "factory guys" post here as anon as allowed by blake.. why does it have to be such a big deal to get a clear answer?? Sorry about the earlier post. can't delete it now.. | |||
| Tom_b |
admin, please delete my posts in this thread I am out of line and would like them removed.. sorry to court and others.. | |||
| Court |
Frank: I'll call today with current info/data. Thanks to the others for solidly making clear why discussing tis or even trying to get information here is a fool's pursuit. Court | |||
| F_skinner |
Well Frank, it started as a good idea. Thats ok, I have come to expect some things from people on this site. I spent a great deal of time last night looking at old isolator threads using the search function. interesting. Court, you can call any time as you know. I remember a time when stuff like this was not in the Old School section. You have to look for it on the Quick Board or in other threads. The Old School section was always the place were you did not have to deal with nonsense. Later |
