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Carbonlightning
Posted on Sunday, May 17, 2009 - 08:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So i met up with a local sport bike group from another forum i am on. We went for a 300 mile ide today. There were 6 bikes including mine. I was only able to stay ahead of and leave one in the dust a few times. The guys ahead of me lost me and had to wait at every turn-off they make to let me catch up and then another 2-3 mins for the last guy to catch up. I know i didnt know any of the raods so i had to hold back but even then things got hairy now and then. I had a ton of fun though and it was a great experiance and practice is always good. But once i get use to it around here i wont be left like that anymore. Even if they are doing double the warning signs and cruising around 70-80 on 45-55 mainly but down to 35mph raods. But some of the turns had 15mph warning and i did take those better than them atleast.lol I was the only one who could hit those at 30-40.
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Tdman77
Posted on Sunday, May 17, 2009 - 09:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sounds like people I wouldn't ride with. What's the point of getting to A to B as fast as possible? Save that for the track. Going fast in a straight line doesn't show anyone how big your penis is (but how small your brain is). Get with another group that won't get you killed and enjoy the "ride". See who owns who on the race track.
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Sportyeric
Posted on Sunday, May 17, 2009 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Myself, I like to cut back on the straights. That's where the radar is most likely to be. Then wick it up for the turns. Most of the crew I ride with do the same. We do still manage to be double the limit at times.
But rule number one is not to get sucked in to riding above your comfort level or capability. (We usually have at least one crash every ride and its getting a little tiresome.)
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Carbonlightning
Posted on Sunday, May 17, 2009 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, i didnt let myself get out of my comfort zone or ability. I value my bike and life too much. The spped was a little much. They were hitting the turns too fast for me as well though. They knew the roads and what was to be expected because they had the right lines through everything and were carrying their speed very well in the turns above my level or comfort at the moment.
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Pizzaboy
Posted on Monday, May 18, 2009 - 12:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

But rule number one is not to get sucked in to riding above your comfort level or capability.

X2. its very useful to ride with people who are more experienced than yourself. i make it a point to ride only with people who are better than i am. theres a lot to be learned by following somebody elses lines through a turn. it instills confidence to let you know that it IS possible, its just a matter of you getting there personally.

you can learn a great deal by observing others. TRY to keep up for as long as you comfortably can. the more you watch, the more you'll be able to absorb and learn!!

the bike will handle the turns at speed, no problem. the only thing holding you back is you.

i STILL deal with that all the time. i ride to what i feel as the limit of my S2's mechanical ability on twisties, but i may never find the limit of my 1125r.

i personally ride comfortable on my limit and push it just a little further every time.


for speed limits through turns, its best to take it as a suggestion. thats the minimum safest speed through a turn. i try to add 10-20 mph to the sign's suggestions most of the time. its the maximum SAFEST speed for you. just like everything else, its not concrete, its defendant on weather and road conditions, your personal experience and comfort level and the performance capabilities of the machine thats between your legs.
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Sportyeric
Posted on Monday, May 18, 2009 - 12:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A few years back I was at a huge sportbike weekend in BC's Okanagan valley where the order of the day was to treat a 200 mile loop of the lake on the backroads like it was the Isle of Man. The young immortals camped next to us were boasting of their placement last year. My crowd leaves late and makes lunch stops and such. On the ride, one guy was getting on my nerves plugging up the corners on a TL1000. Twice when I'd finally gotten past him in the middle of twisty bits, he's pass me on the straights while I was topped out at 125. Then doddle through the next round of corners again. I might add I was on the Sportster. We stopped for lunch and I was bitching about it to the boys, "Did you see that a-hole with the red leathers on the TL...?" My buddy leans over and says, "You mean the guy sitting on your right?" LOL
My point. I only go as fast on the straights as I need to go to keep the people who are slower on the corners from getting in front again. That way we tend to get ourselves sorted out as to ability so nobody gets in anyone else's way on the fun stuff.

(Message edited by Sportyeric on May 18, 2009)
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Phelan
Posted on Monday, May 18, 2009 - 12:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd love to hit a track with mine, though I have done this on public roads and I'm not proud of it. Sure was fun when I did though : D. Back in July '06 I rode through the mountains in CO with Dan Dunn, Aaron Wilson, and a few others, and I had a blast. Dan mostly stayed back with the others while I followed Aaron on his 106 hp S2T with my 70 hp XL1200S. I kept up pretty well though, mostly cuz Aaron played with the low end and I kept my revs high. My 1200S had a White Bros 2-1, inverted clubmans, and a factory adjustible suspension (cartridge forks, nitrogen gas shocks) though so it handled very nicely compared to other sporties. I would've liked a bit more ground clearance, though, as I scraped the pipe a few times and just missed the primary. Can't wait to finish the rebuild of my S2 and see how it handles in similar situations.

(Message edited by Phelan on May 18, 2009)
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Dave_02_1200
Posted on Monday, May 18, 2009 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A while back Peter Egan wrote a piece titled "The Red Mist" about group rides and peer pressure, etc. A good read.

Public roads are not the race track and anyone who rides at 10 tenths on the street with no safety margin to deal with the unexpected is asking for trouble.

I love my Buells because they corner beautifully and they have enough speed for the street.

Remember, life is like an endurance race. If you crash out in the early laps, you won't do well overall and, if you are positioned well as you near the finish, don't take unnecessary chances. To finish first, you have to first finish.

Don't ride with squids. They will bring you down to their level and then beat you with stupidity.
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Texastechx1
Posted on Monday, May 18, 2009 - 04:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Myself, I like to cut back on the straights. That's where the radar is most likely to be. Then wick it up for the turns.

same here... you wanna hit some insane top speeds? go get a GSXR1000 or R1. You wanna RIDE? get a Buell!

there is a small group of guys around here that are like that, all "nut swingin" crotch rocket squids that thinks their shit don't stink and run their mouth off a lot (not sayin that any of your friends are like that). I don't ride with those guys anymore, about once a year one of em dies and every month one goes to jail LOL

I still ride with guys that like to act a lil crazy... but not THAT crazy!
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Fast1075
Posted on Monday, May 18, 2009 - 06:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't ride above your ability and road conditions...it's that simple...even then crap happens...the unexpected will get you killed.

We had two riders go down on a recent ride...the leader unexpectedly braked very hard to make a turn, and #2 ran him over..nobody hurt more than a few scrapes and bruises and a very skinned up Honda and 1125r...both riders are very experienced...the fly in the ointment that day was a little bit of sand...I was riding #3 and got stopped ok (mainly because they outpulled me so hard in the last corner and I had room to stop).

Two minutes earlier, we were in line rippin' a set of corners at stupid speed. It's so much fun, it's easy to get lost in it and lose perspective.
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King_of_kali
Posted on Monday, May 18, 2009 - 08:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

you need to build your bikelike mine. Stage 3 Nallin heads, n80 Andrew cams, dyna eletric ignition, straight carb 42mm. i have to run 93 with Turbo Blue or Cam2 fuel mixed. I blow my buddys 2007 GSXR 600 away up till we hit 135
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