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Cyclonemduece
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 03:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am doing thunderstorms on a sporty and need to enlarge the mounting holes, from 3/8 to 7/16 is it best to drill and tap new or drill and install heli coil?
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Lovedabueller
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yes. and the stronger option.
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Cyclonemduece
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

love i dont understand your answer
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Big_koch
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 05:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Helicoils are stronger than drill & tap.
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Cyclonemduece
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 08:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

really? i had no idea. I did indeed learn some new stuff today. thanks koch
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Jramsey
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buell head bracket size 7/16x14

XL head bracket size 3/8x16

No threads in either bracket.

Drill Sporty frame head mount bracket hole 29/64 and use 7/16 bolt.

Heli-Coil type inserts have their use but not very often and they are no stronger than the material they are inserted into.
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Cyclonemduece
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 11:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok so let me try to understand i dont need to do anything to the head, it is the bracket that needs to be enlarged?
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Jramsey
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 11:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep.
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Big_koch
Posted on Friday, April 10, 2009 - 01:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not relevant to the thread any longer, but helicoils are, in fact, stronger than simply tapping the parent material. Larger surface area of aluminum gripping the helicoil means the aluminum sees less load for a given area. Therefore....a helicoil in a given thread size will stress the parent material less than threads of the same size directly into the parent material.
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Jramsey
Posted on Friday, April 10, 2009 - 02:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Then why not just tap the hole the next size larger and be done with it.

Threaded inserts(coil/spring type)are for the most part a quick fix for thread repairing at only 60-65 % thread depth, if they were better all OEM manufacturer's would put them in to start with instead of plain tapping at 75-80% thread depth.

A good part of my time every week is spent between the milling machine and the welding table repairing "previously repaired threaded holes".

(Message edited by jramsey on April 10, 2009)
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Oldog
Posted on Friday, April 10, 2009 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A good part of my time every week is spent between the milling machine and the welding table repairing "previously repaired threaded holes".

AS was mine too, We did not Helicoil many parts so if you base the load on loaded area then "helicoils are stronger" is true,
Based on My real world experience and observation not so.
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Sportyeric
Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 03:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Sporty head has a hole on one side and a stud on the other. The Buell head, of course, has holes on both sides. Put in the bolts to loosely mount the bracket before you put the head on the cylinder. Otherwise the bolt doesn't clear the frame and you'll have to take the head off again. (That's why they used the stud.)
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