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Hoginme
Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

hello to all im new to this forum and have really enjoyed it so far lots of good info for the buell owner. Thanks to all! My question is that I have a 01 x1 with 11k on it my my plugs have started to foul so I started looking at things more closely and found that when I pulled the air filter I had quit a bit of oil on the filter and oil coming out of the breather hose from the motor. so im thinking that it probably going to need a top end rebuild. If this is the case can anyone point me in the direction for parts and possible upgrades or what direction I should go with rebuilding it, I have a friend of mine who will help me doing the work. I have about 1k to spend on this project. Thanks for any help
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Thunderhead
Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 11:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

maybe you should route the head breathers out of the air cleaner.sucking up the oil and burning it is a h.p. robber. reroute it to a catch can or put a breather on it toward the bottom of the bike
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Bad_karma
Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 11:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Steve the most common cause of the excessive oil in the filter is that the oil level is too high. 11k is a little soon for top end work. But if you want to do some upgrades just check with our sponsors.
Joe
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Creature_x1
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 12:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

An excessively dirty filter can look like a problem, but not necessarily be one. If the filter is washable (K&N) clean it, lightly re-oil it with filter oil and check it again in a few hundred miles. Cost of a filter re-charger kit $20. Now what to do with $980?
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Hoginme
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 12:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the info so far i really hope its something minor, i changed the plugs put in a new k&n and i am going to ride it for a few days and check the plugs and filter again and see what happens. I am thinking it could be an internal type problem with seeing oil in the air filter and all around the flap part of the air intake, doesent seeing oil in these places usually mean the rings could be worn pulling oil past them? Im not an engine expert by anymeans so im not sure.
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Thunderhead
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 01:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the oil coming out the heads is a harley thing. maybe you should route the head breathers out of the air cleaner.
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Loki
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 02:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Steve,

The tuber family is known for the oily issue you describe.

Our power plants are vented through the heads. A little rubber "umbrella" valve is all that stands betwix keeping oil in or letting it out. The harder you run the bike the more oil tends to escape past it. As also mentioned keeping your oil level to high lends to excessive bypass. All this oil that bypasses the little umbrella is routed into the airbox. Where it tends to separate and puddle. Making for a big mess.
A good percentage of that mess makes it right back into the engine. Where it is supposed to go.

A couple things to try before you decide the top end is shot....

1) Lower the oil level in the tank. Check the oil with the engine warm and sitting upright, not on its kick stand. Look at the two lines on the dip stick. If it favors the high line.....lose some of that oil. Use the the halfway point as your full mark.

2) Take the head vent lines out of the airbox. Route them into some form of a vented catch can. This will show you just how much oil is being lost this way. Ride the bike hard check the level. Ride the bike more sedately check the level. See what the difference is.

3) Do a compression and leak down check before assuming the top end is going south.


If all this still points to a sour top end.

Look at spending, something like $300 to do a .010 over bore using factory parts. Compare this to spending a little more for a 1250 kit.

Also look at what some our sponsors will charge you for a stage 1 or stage 2 porting job. Instead of just getting a valve job done.
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Sloppy
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 02:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's NOT your top end. It's the condensation and oil mist that gets redirected into the intake. Ride the bike for longer distances to prevent condensation from building up. We call this a "Buell Latte"...

If you had a bad top end the symptoms would be low on power, not oil in the intake...

Get the Factory Service Manual...
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Buellistic
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 08:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you run or keep the HEAD BREATHERS dumping into the intake it pollutes the intake charge which is not good ...

If you want to lubricate your valve guides, put some STP GAS TREATMENT in your gas every 5K miles ...

If you put the XB PVC breather system on the EVO SPORTSTER engine you get no "BUELL Latte" ...

"BUT" if you over fill you oil tank, the excess oil has to go some where ...

ie: out the head breathers and by gasket weep ...
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Hoginme
Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 08:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the info i will do a compression test just to be on the safe side and re-route the breather system
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