| Author | Message | ||
     Mick |
Makes me weep http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1998-Buell-S1-White -Lightning-frame-and-parts_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkp armsZ72Q3a543Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a 1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a16Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp328 6Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem120352141269QQitemZ12035214 1269QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories | ||
| Ducxl |
Seconds before deciding on my(then)new '99X1 i was intent on that (then) new '98S1W. No regrets. That machine above could be resurrected | ||
| 80rs427 |
"That machine above could be resurrected" I wondered about that myself, but when the title is floating around with the engine in a chopper frame, how do you go about rebuilding it? Without a frame you can title, it's just a pile of parts. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
do what they did title it on the engine. Or title it as custom maybe. All eles fails build it for the track. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Maryland will let you title with a MD-issued number, they just have to inspect it at the barracks and make sure none of the parts are ...um...."borrowed". Odd that they titled the chopper on the engine number - that's not a "full" 17 digit number. Usually down here, engines that are built around get the custom numbers; frames with new engines keep the frame number and title. For example, I bought a bare S2 frame last year and it still had the Buell title assigned to it. The engine that was used to build the chopper had a Maryland State Police number assigned to it. Too bad the guy didn't know he'd built around a basically stock Sporty motor...I hate seeing S2's get hacked as much as S1W's  | ||
| Guell |
Being only an hour away from me, im seriously considering picking that up... | ||
| Jstfrfun |
That's pure stupidity, frames are titled not engines. Redneck puts a number on there frames for title generation. No S1 should be used for a mutant anyway, they are to rare and not the best motor. | ||
| Texastechx1 |
what a shame...  they do it because a Buell is the cheapest bike you can buy used with a harley v-twin. still not right though. | ||
| Guell |
JstFrFun, the s1w is the best tuber to use for a mutant. Thunderstorm heads and it still was carbed... The whole title thing is whats holding me back at this point. | ||
| Guell |
I talked to the seller, and the engine/mutant has been registered in south carolina so that pretty much screws it for me. | ||
| Brinnutz |
Matt, The M2 is the same...carbed with T-Storm's | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
but the s1w had better cams | ||
| Ratbuell |
The M2 is the same...carbed with T-Storm's *Late* M2 had t-storm top end, and had cams tuned for low end torque. IIRC my '99 was a factory 90-something (92?) hp motor. The S1W was the first of the 101 hp motors, and I think the only carb'd one. I'm pretty sure the 98 S3 shared the engine...was it carb'd or EFI in that body? I'll have to pull my 98 catalog... | ||
| Mick |
S3's had carbs before 99 | ||
| Jstfrfun |
My mutant uses a Mikuni 42 on a 2000 X1 engine, with a daytona ignition. The finish is not as pretty as the earlier model but I'm building this one with balls(and beauty)to spare. After proper tuning it should show about 120hp to the ground!!! To the point however, the white lightning should not have been sacrificed, it's too damn rare! | ||
| Spiderman |
I could so use all of that too I wish I weren't broke... | ||
| Jstfrfun |
Well I am now! | ||
| Mick |
Did you buy it? Great if ya did, it don't deserve to die. | ||
| Jstfrfun |
No Mick, I can't afford to pay attention. Besides that I just bought myself a new Springfield XD 45cal(not one of those things you can trust the wife to buy) for Christmas. And the mutant project is on hold for a couple months cause Redneck screwed it up. Had to ship it ALL back to be re-built. | ||
| Hippyjoe |
Why are you building a mutant? As for killing a W, the new chopper owner considers it a bragging right no doubt. A lot of chopper fans like to piss on Buell riders as well. I wonder if E. Buell cares that this bike got dissed? (Message edited by hippyjoe on December 23, 2008) | ||
| Jstfrfun |
I can't accept any "bragging" Theories Joe,but as for me it's an opportunity to build something which dosen't exist in my area in anyones garage. And an opportunity to do something I've never done before. I however would not use one of those to do it with cause I couln't kill a "useable" bike. The stars alighned as it were to provide money, a mostly stripped X1 and the time in one convergence for my project. I think someone, maybe even the guys at Redneck came upon this bike for next to nothing from some one who has no apreciaton for the model and saw only some pretty pieces for there project. I don't think there are Buell "killers" out there with assassination in mind like thrill killers. Just as a monetary aspect the finished softail mutant sells for about 20,000 give or take. This particular death is unjustifiable...in my opinion. | ||
| Mikeyp |
Yes, it's sad to see a good Buell get mutated, but it will just make the value of anyone who holds on to a Buell go up in the future. My Buell is a keeper. I've owned it for 10 years already. | ||
| Hippyjoe |
I can't accept any "bragging" Theories Joe...I don't think there are Buell "killers" out there You don't need to accept it--it happens anyway, lol. Check the classifieds here about 18 months ago, a guy chopped an X1W and was doing just that in between trying to hawk parts, he's not the only one. I've seen S1Ws chopped, red stripe X1s, you name it. More than one has bragged about it vindictively. You also see it in chopper mags and online forums. ...an opportunity to do something I've never done before. That can be an expensive learning curve. The stars alighned as it were to provide money, a mostly stripped X1 and the time... an opportunity to build something which dosen't exist in my area in anyones garage. I hear ya. I've found that things usually happen for a reason... maybe having to send it all back to redneck is a sign...? Have you ever ridden a mutant? Or a softail? Those frames were designed to ape a look, not for rideability, comfort or performance. Have you ever looked at a Rowe frame? Not only is it a much more unique platform than Just Another Mutant... it will still perform, handle, and provide a comfortable position. It uses an updated Dyna front and the Road King/FXR rear rubber mount, uses a real swingarm and real rear shocks, you can specify any degree front end angle that you want, to include using your X1 front end and wheels. Like you, I can see modifying a garden-variety tuber or a wreck. Only a fool would chop a cherry, limited-edition performance motorcycle or car, especially one like an S1W, or a Hemi Cuda/Shelby Mustang/IROC Z that's had an enthusiast following since day one. What I can't fathom in these times is sticking a performance motor in a frame that can't handle and will beat your spine to death if you do any amount of hard riding. It's like putting a Vette motor into a pickup truck. Yeah, it's cool and will impress teenagers, but what's the point? It also makes no financial sense as garage art now that the bottom has dropped out of the disposable income treasury and the market is flooded with short-sighted chopper punks selling out. Just as a monetary aspect the finished softail mutant sells for about 20,000 give or take. What's one of those worth a year or even six months afterwards? Less than half? How about in two years, less than a third? I saw a guy finally sell his redneck project on ebay recently, in the end he had to axe the reserve and opening bid. He sold a redneck frame, cnc wheels, a grand or more in billet bling, and a basket case X1... for less than he paid for the X1 alone last year as a running bike. Good luck, whatever you do. Peace and happy christmas! | ||
| Jstfrfun |
At this moment I'm sorry I got into this. Vince at Redneck was supposed to call or e-mail when the palate arrived but as of today...nothing! The kit was two weeks late arriving to me,the shock wasn't with it,there was no mounting hardware for the shock, spacers had to be made at a local machine shop for the shock mount, the axle was 1 inch instead of 15/16, when I got the right axle it still had a 1 inch axle end block, the engine mount plate holes were too small and had to be drilled to fit my bolts,the top engine mount bracket didn't fit the engine bolt holes, the front engine mount was 1/2 inch too narrow, the steering stop plate could not be installed without sending the steering stem and bottom tree off to a machine shop to be pressed apart ,drilled&tapped,then re-pressed together. That's as far as I got before I started to whine about my 5,000 investment. At that moment they told me that there kit was intended for builders, not DIYs without a full machine shop. My intent was to have a show-bike not a tour bike, which I would trailer to various events for fun...FOR FUN! not having fun yet | ||
| Oldog |
At that moment they told me that there kit was intended for builders, not DIYs without a full machine shop. COP - OUT Any decent trades man who gives a rats a$$ about his rep would not let that go, sorry you are not having fun. On the steering head heat the bottom clamp and not the stem the thing will tap out, DAMHIK having access to a full shop, tools, and tallented workmen is a must. IMO no one at red neck owns a tape measure, They were at MYB a couple of years ago, I was not inpressed. They had one or two assembled bikes, they were kinda Crude Come to think of it, the Italian jobs' XB and S1 are aces and neither is a "chopper" both are stunning to look at. Here in wilmington NC I have yet to see another X1, My 0.02$ restore and customize an old Tuber better bike, high kewl factor, | ||
| Lake_bueller |
So did that sell or were there no bids? Just curious. | ||
| F_skinner |
No bids.. | ||
| Guell |
I really wanted to buy it, but i have no idea how i would get arround the no title issue | ||
| Jstfrfun |
Thanx Dog, I didn't think I could feel any worse about this until now. The point I was trying to make was that the Redneck product was not what it was advertized to be. Not sure where the "COP OUT" came from. I am well aware of your point of view, but I don't worship the machine as you do...in your way...as passionately. I am learning and have learned a valuable lesson from this particular adventure, thank-you for the beating. In the future I'll ask you before I make any decisions on creativity, since your show bike has it all. | ||
| Capital_g |
Hey Jstfrfun, I think he meant COP OUT for Redneck? That's the way I understood it. DIY or not, sounds like their product was not well engineered.... |
