|Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 05:26 pm: ||
I was looking at the 5031 Pro Series Chrome Hypercharger. Its a sharp looking chunk of chrome. I like its looks a lot better then the stock air box.
Wasn't anyone home to ask about this .So I figured Id ask you guys what you thought about it.
Way it looks to me , it will bolt up to the stock carburetor with one of the two mounting kits.
What I don't understand is why are there two different kits, and whats the difference besides the 10 dollar price.
Also will this Hypercharger work if I get a different carburetor later, like the HSR 42 Mikuni ?
Best I can tell. This comes with a K&N 1/2" thicker filter. Its cost is 269.95 plus shipping at American Sport Bikes
Also do we get a discount if we are members here ? I found the site in here.
|Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 06:17 pm: ||
I have heard some negative comments about the Hypercharger but have never used one myself.
However, I do have a Buell Race Carbon Fiber air cleaner on my S3 and a Forcewinder on my M2 and I like both very much.
All in all, I think the Forcewinder is best for tall people because it increases legroom on the right side and it looks great.
I think the Hypercharger looks cheap compared to the Forcewinder's polished cast aluminum construction.
I recommend taking your time on these things until you can see the parts in person on other's bikes.
Then you can decide for yourself.
Good luck, whatever you choose.
|Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 06:57 pm: ||
Thanks Dave for your input. I dont think I've seen a Forcewinder yet. Is it like the Tank Accents?
Yes I agree with you. I would rather see it in person before I spend that kind of money.
I'm going to check into this Forcewinder cause I am rather tall. Thanks for telling me about it.
Before I do any of this cosmetic stuff,
I've got my 1000 mile break in adjustments and a carburetor needs rebuilt.
I'm starting to think owning a Buell might mean being made of money.lol. Shot a guy can dream can't he?
What ever I spend on her. I know she will be worth it.
|Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 07:32 pm: ||
I have never heard good things about the Hypercharger and I really do not like the looks but that is beside the point. I ran the breadbox on my 97 S1 for about 9 years and it worked fine. There are ways to modify it somewhere on this site I think. I also use the forcewinder (98 S1W) and have no complaints about it. For looks I really like the oval Sporty one that came on the S2s. They work pretty good for me and I have not had a problem with them even going through the mountain passes at 9 thousand feet. The best thing I did with regards to air/gas mixture is rebuilding the carb and replacing the manifold intake seal.
Good luck with whatever you get. If you have questions about something like that you can always give Al at American Sportbike a call and he can give you the gouge... Frank
|Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 07:41 pm: ||
Forcewinder = crap. Plain and simple, my m2 had one on it when i bought it, first thing i took off of it.
|Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 07:57 pm: ||
Forcewinder = crap
I have had no problems. I did modify like NRHS suggest and rejetted the carb for the exhaust and motor. I did not run it before that so I have no idea. I have never ran it on a stock motor either.
It is not as simple as just bolting it on sometimes.
The best thing to do with a stock setup on an older bike is to rebuild the carb. I find that I have to do this about every 5 to 7 years.
|Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 09:37 pm: ||
Frank, it was already on my bike when i got it, and it rattled like crazy. I was unimpressed with it.
I know they are fine, lots of cruisers run them, its just i dont feel as if there are any serious gains to be had from it.
|Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 10:00 pm: ||
I agree, not much to be gained. I spend a lot more time tuning carbs than worrying about the intake. I like the stock oval shape with the K&N air filter, I had a lot of luck with the screaming eagle stuff on sportys.
I though, although I cannot find it, the stock air box could be modified. The breadbox grew on me after a few years. Great place to set your beer as well...
|Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 10:28 pm: ||
lol Yeah... I guess the old bread box isnt so bad. I noticed it made a nice place to set the gas cap while getting gas.
Guess it would work for hold'N your favorite beverage also.
I'm going to take your advice and stick with the rebuild carb and intake manifold seals right now.
Someday Id like to have the Buell Oval.
I wouldnt mind looking into what ever modifications to the bread box you were talking about sooner though. If it will help suck up more air.
So what's up with this 1000 mile adjustment stuff?
The guy I got the bike from told me to take it to the dealer in Lebadon Missouri.
There are dealers closer then that one.
Does it matter as long as they have a service department?
|Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 10:32 pm: ||
I am not sure of the specifics of the 1K service except change the oil and filter, check the clutch adjustment, check the primary tension. It is not worth taking it to a dealer for a couple of days and who knows how much money. You might want to get a service manual as they are worth their weight in gold if you are doing any work to your bike. These bikes are real easy to work on and any question you may have can be answer right here or has already been answered here. I use the search function on this board a lot.
|Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 11:33 pm: ||
That is very helpful information. I wasnt sure what all was involved with it.
The guy I got the bike from works as a parts guy at a motorcycle place, but its not Harley or Buell.
This was his personnel bike he got as a graduation gift that he thought was a cruel joke. Long story.
He said something about valve timing settings and such. I wasnt sure what all he was talking about.
He said he had the owners manual and would get it to me. He did how ever give me the service manual.
And yes it is a very helpful book, but I havent found anything about 1k maintenance or what is to be adjusted or checked.
I'm sure I could do a lot of the stuff myself a lot cheaper then going to a dealer.
I know for a fact I can handle the fluid changes and filters and stuff.
I can even figure out how to take the carb off. Now rebuilding it might be a different story unless I had some pretty clear instructions.
But didnt I read in here that you can have them sent off to someone and they rebuild them fairly reasonable.
|Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 11:55 pm: ||
I found the regular maintenance intervals on page 1-6 Nothing at 1K miles. Alot of stuff probably missed at 500 miles. Looks like 2500k is the next one after 500.
I havent read what all 500 miles was to had done yet cause I dont have my glasses back here.
But from what I can see. Its stuff like what you said. Fluid changes and cable adjustments.
Shoot I'd rather do that kinda stuff myself.
I thought it was stuff inside the motor like valves needing adjusted. Major tuning.
|Posted on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 08:12 am: ||
Your valves do not need adjustment.
I would go ahead and change the fluids. Anytime I buy a used bike I go over it and change the fluids, plugs etc... It is a real easy bike to work on... Frank
|Posted on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 04:56 pm: ||
(Forcewinder is crap, it rattled like crazy)
Think you've got the names mixed up Guell, the Hyper charger rattles like crap because of the butterflys, I took a mates bike with one on it and thought the top end was going to explode it was that noisy
I had the Buell carbon oval on mine, the engine breathed a bit better ,and had a lot more induction noise, but I found getting a good seal on the filter was a problem, so I put a forcewinder on.
Quieter induction and a better seal on filter, plus more room for the knee.
|Posted on Monday, December 22, 2008 - 07:43 pm: ||
I've run both a mod'ed stock breadbox & the current carbon race hamcan aircleaners.
There seem to be 2 different mods to the stock airbox that work well. One uses the helmholtz tube in the airbox as a poor man's Forcewinder/tuned intake tube. The other replaces the helmholtz tube with a venturi ring ( cheap, avail. at dealer no less ) and either removes the little house the filter lives in & uses a home made bracket to hold the filter..or not. ( mine has the home made bracket ) see the Knowledge vault...
The data you want is scattered, but there.
That shows the 2 different mods that seem best. ( never mind that it's an X-1, M2's just have a more squared off box...)
My knee taps my Carbon race filter under heavy breaking. ( I keep it 'cause it looks good to me ) The forcewinder seems to have nearly the same knee clearance as the stock "breadbox". Your ergo's will be different. I needed no change in jetting going from the mod'ed breadbox to the race filter, & I'm sure the mod'ed stock box flows more than enough for a stock displacement motor.
More airflow = more valve & honking air intake noise. You hear everything...which is why the stock box is built the way it is.
|Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 06:52 am: ||
Good catch mick!
Beer and badweb dont mix with me haha!
Sorry for the confusion frank, the force is great i think, i meant the hypercharger...
|Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 08:13 am: ||
Not only do I not like the looks of the Hypercharger I cannot figure out how it improves anything. I am sure someone smarter than me knows the answer to that but it looks like another piece of HD bling to me.
No worries Guell. Been there before.
|Posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 02:16 pm: ||
I've known 3 folks with the Hypercharger. All had problems with them falling apart and or rattling.
Personally, I think they look dumb. Kind of like they thought an old school supercharger scoop would look cool turned on it's side and slapped on a Harley....
I've built bikes with both the ham can and the Forcewinder. No problems with either. The Force is fine for a lightly modified motor. Teh hamcan will perform better on a built motor. There are dyno charts in the KV somewhere on all the above.