| Author | Message | ||
     Mick |
Real Buells have tubes and tractor engines. Thats what makes em unique, big ,grunty, noisy shakey beasts with SOUL . engineering that out of em to appeal to the masses is a sad thing, I'll stick with my M2. | ||
| Bad_karma |
If we have to be drugged into the 20th century, then let Buell build the Roehr and sell it for $20 large. joe | ||
| The_italian_job |
Scott, i've never said about myself i'm a visionary artist, but maybe you thought about it when you saw my bikes!  my 2 Buells are so personal that i totally understand not everybody can like them. but those bikes represent totally my personality, my will of being different from the others. i like to extremely customize my bikes, but i have to admit always with good taste. then people can like it or not, but nobody i think can say my bikes are not unique. anyway, i can give you some suggestions on how to make the 1125 and the CR more pleasant at our eyes, in my opinion. i didn't create nothing here, somebody else already thought about it. but we might agree this time we have much closer tastes that what you think. here we go: this was done from H-D Italia, in my opinion the best CR ever seen so far...   these 3 are creations of Ilmberger, Germany. there's nothing much than change the colors, add some carbon and the middle part of the fairing, and the game is done!      this proposal is from Trojan-horse, UK. i like it a lot, it's more like an XBR with full fairing, i like the XBR headlights better than the 1125...   and this last one it's a style exercise, but this guy made a good bike, i like the color a lot too...  this is what, in my opinion, the 1125 and the CR should look like. if you notice, in the CR made by H-D Italy, the radiators scoops are much smaller than the original, which means those horrible ears can be modified! and also the CR headlights, where did they take it from, a B-King??? i think erik bought all the extra stock of the B-King headlights from Suzuki! now tell me it's not the same!!!!  this is the bike that belongs to the Buell style and idea: the Wakan! the meanest bike on the market right now, the new S1!!!  (Message edited by the_italian_job on December 18, 2008) | ||
| Guell |
Im with italian on this one, the new bikes really do nothing for me other than being uberfast. The wakan is a gorgeous bike, a modern day tuber really. If i could afford one id love to have it. | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
"but we might agree this time we have much closer tastes that what you think." I've seen your S1, I have no doubt that our tastes have a lot of common ground  The H-D Italia CR looks good, very interesting. Love the Termi exhaust  . I'd seen the first two Ilmberger bikes, but not the third. The R looks *really* good with a full fairing, makes the bike look small and powerful and curvy and sensuous. I like the third one the most. I'm not a fan of the Trojan Horse fairing... somehow the curves don't match to me. Yes, there are a lot of similarities with the B-King headlight, but thankfully not the B-King's fat tail! I'd have to agree the Wakan is waaaay mean! And I like it, but even if I could afford it I don't know if I'd buy one... When the 1125R came out I was hanging out for a new streetfighter, a new "S1". A year later I was hoping for a lean, mean, single-headlight hot-rod water-cooled S1... and got the CR  ... It took literally about 1 to 2 hours for the first released photo's to grow on me (although I was into the clubman bars straight away!), and the CR has grown on me ever since to the point where I'm *thinking* about how to buy one while keeping the X1 (and getting a CityX for Vamps)... I've been thinking about this more this afternoon and tonight... No, the CR is not a new S1... But it is a lean, mean, street-fighting, cafe racing Buell, and it's a bike for 2009, not 1996. By that I mean the S1 was the right bike for then, the CR is the right bike for now, or at least it's the right bike for me (and I haven't even ridden one yet, I've only ridden an 1125R!) . Here's a question for those who aren't fans of the CR - what would features or design ideas would you have liked to have seen? Eg Would you prefer to have the radiator in front of the engine (and the subsequent longer wheelbase)? Or radiators under the seat? | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
"Good post Lemonchile, and I agree, but would point out that airboxes and huggers can be changed, those radiators do not have a known cure! " I meant to come back to this... No known cure? Then it's time for us to think outside the square... Under the tail? Four smaller radiators? Different covers? What about carbon fibre covers with slots in them to break up the shape? | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
The CR race bike looks ok for a race bike, but would be too busy for a street bike. Sure you can mod the radiators, but you may find that you are now overheating due to turbulent or misdirected air. The full faring R's look good as the faring blends the radiators into the rest of the bike, but I prefer to see the motor and generally don't like full faring bikes. The Wakan is great looking, but I could have more bike for less money by just modding a tuber! Somewhere somebody mentioned that these bikes are hard to photograph well and that is true enough - they do look better in person. For me to unreasonably consider buying a new bike I would have to have a serious case of moto-lust, these new Buells just don't elicit that in me. Down the road, if I found a good deal on a used one, I'm sure I could make some changes that would make it more pleasing to my eye, but there is no rush. To sum it up there are two aspects of these bikes that will always prevent them from being a must have for me; 1) Obviously the looks we have been discussing. 2) While I would consider purchasing most of the Euro brands, I was very disappointed that Rotax built this motor. The engine is the heart of a bike and I want an American heart in an American bike. It would be like Dodge putting a Mercedes engine in the new Challenger instead of the Hemi. With the current downturn I would imagine there are plenty of HD employees wishing they had the extra engines going down their production line.... | ||
| The_italian_job |
Lemon, why wouldn't you buy a Wakan? that S&S motor makes me dream just itself!!!!!! | ||
| Stoked |
Wow, those fairings really make a difference. I think there is just no way to keep the naked street fighter look with the side hung radiators. But it looks really good as part of a fairing. | ||
| Malott442 |
Well, obviously not everyone is going to like the look, but I believe the CR shape is here to stay....... And the technology, performance, better reliability. All you dinosaurs keep having fun constantly replacing gaskets and rear shocks. The S1W will still get a little attention, but I do believe next summer I am getting a bike that hauls ass, that is light, low, flicky, and mean. And the B king /1125 argument is just a slap to Erik's face(fixed it lemonchili....). How dare you compare a 375lb street hooligan machine made in America to a 580lb big fat fast slut built in Japan. Look!   CLEARLY WORLDS APART. Don't be jealous because the new bike is faster lighter and more common..... The company is growing up..... Maybe you guys should to. And in person, the difference is even bigger. I've ridden a bking, and at 5'11" I can't put my knees on the tank unless my heels are on the pegs. Those tank accents are totally in the way. And when cornering I kept banging my knees trying to get that pig to dip in...... Fast bike, but ugly, overcomplicated, not produced by US/EUR....... (Message edited by malott442 on December 18, 2008) | ||
| The_italian_job |
the comparison with the B-King was just for the headlight! maybe you didn't pay attention on what i said... | ||
| Brinnutz |
I still don't think the headlights look alike at all. Similar overall shapes, maybe, but nothing at all is the same. | ||
| The_italian_job |
hey Malot, i've seen your profile and let me ask you something: did you really hit 196MPH on a triumph? because i have a 1098 S very pumped, but i could hit "just" 190! and you did better on a naked bike, you gotta tell me how you did... | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
I read the 1125R board and I'll grant you it wasn't the case when it was new, but my 99 S3 is currently better sorted than either the R or CR are. The fact that the new bikes continue the tradition of poor fueling along with new issues of their own (excess heat, and electrical problems) is unfortunate. For the street, my S3 has plenty of performance and if you are still experiencing poor reliability with your tuber you are either having bad luck or are doing something wrong..... If you want to ride an Austrian bike, with a German name on it, assembled in America - go ahead, I won't hold it against you! ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) | ||
| Mbsween |
I had a chance to ride the CR and the R (along with my X1) at MidOhio at an inside pass day. If you can , you really should get to one of these. They are a hoot, classes for all rider proficiency levels and they let you ride their bike on a track! The CR is butt ugly in my opinion, after riding it however, I knew I'd found my next bike. This is everything the X1/S1 bikes wer to be performance wise and then some. Even with my slow arse on board the bike was fast. The suspension and power are light years ahead of a tuber as is the feel of the bike. Okay maybe that because my X1 has 40,000 on it and the CR had less than 2. I think the CR embodies the essence of Buell, handling and power in a minimalist setting. Also it is different, good or bad, you can't ignore this beast. have to see how it does for long distance. Can't be any worse than an X1. I just want one with Nuke Blue frame/molten orange body work. Although I'm not sure how that would go over with the frame on that beast | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
Oh, man.... I sooooo wish we had Inside Pass days down here.... "I think the CR embodies the essence of Buell, handling and power in a minimalist setting. Also it is different, good or bad, you can't ignore this beast. "  I think that says it all "I just want one with Nuke Blue frame/molten orange body work. Although I'm not sure how that would go over with the frame on that beast" Sounds cool to me... Blue swingarm as well? Photoshop? | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
2001 Suzuki B-King Concept (not the production bike):  1125CR  I don't think anybody copied anyone, but I too thought of the B-King *headlight* when I first saw the 1125CR *headlight*. Besides both being black they don't have much else in common. I believe the XB frames were made outside the U.S., but are now made in the States. I would guess that Buell are planning the same thing for the watercooled motor in the long run. | ||
| Ratbuell |
}And the B king /1125 argument is just a slap to Eric's face. So is everyone on this board who constantly spells his name with a C. It's a *K*, dammit. E-R-I-K.  Sorry, pet peeve of mine. We all love his bikes, let's at least learn how to spell his damned name. | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
"Sorry, pet peeve of mine. We all love his bikes, let's at least learn how to spell his damned name. " +1! | ||
| Malott442 |
sorry sorry...... Just so used to spelling it with a C. Blame my cousin and his damn IM...... lol! My apologies....... | ||
| Ratbuell |
Malott - don't worry. It's (unfortunately) not just you....if it was, it probably wouldn't bother me so much. | ||
| Bhillberg |
I have never seen a Wakan, I went to the website and there are no prices listed, anybody know how much they are? | ||
| Billetmetallic |
while we are talkin about the bking, what is up with that exhaust in the tail section? looks like someone shoved a fence pole up the kings ass! | ||
| Kalali |
I had the opportunity to ride a B-King earlier in the summer and a CR a couple of weekends ago. The CR is way too refined compared to my X1...May be a little too refined for my taste. And this may sound like heresy but for around $11K, I think I would lean more towards A Triumph Speed Triple R. The B-King is not my cup of tea at all...Too many bells and whistles, too heavy...But gobs of totally effortless power... | ||
| Stoked |
I know what it looks like now, it looks like a transformer. You know how your transformers where made to turn back into a robot form a car, but there was always this extra stuff that didn't quite tuck in on it that you could tell it was a transformer. Those radiators look like that extra stuff that you can't get to tuck in. Or maybe a couple of tumors. Or fun bags. Kind of look like boobs from the front. | ||
| Jstfrfun |
Or one of Ripley's aliens, just needs chrome teeth. | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
"Lemon, why wouldn't you buy a Wakan? " Ummm, I like bits of it, but overall it doesn't grab me as something I'd like to ride (much like the CR doesn't grab some people ). It looks heavy and long, and the muffler is in the wrong spot!  Got any specs for weight, wheelbase, etc? | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
Ok, just looked up the specs, it's short (1370mm wheelbase) and light (177kg dry)... I guess it must be smaller than it looks... Is it a Sportster based or big-twin based motor? | ||
| The_italian_job |
my friend, that's an S&S motor, 100ci (1640cc), 115hp and plenty of torque!!!!!!!!!! and with that motor, with few modifications, you can easily reach 130-140hp! i love that bike, i'd be crazy to buy one, the only problem is: nobody knows when it'll be out in the market, the price, the retails, nothing!!! it's a french project, with american motor, maybe not so much appeal, but that bike is sick! if Erik released that bike, i bet over 80% of the users here, already had that bike in their garage!!!! (Message edited by the_italian_job on December 20, 2008) | ||
| Stoked |
Ye, the Wakan is a bad mama jama, that would deserve the title of new S1 if it came from Buell. The CR looks more like how can I be more like everyone else.  |
