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Pkforbes87
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 07:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I may have a 2002 X1 soon after Christmas to keep my 2000 X1 company.

Are there any differences in the 2 model years?
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 09:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

AFAIK, just some software in the EFI. '02 is regarded by many as the "most sorted" of the EFI tubers.
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P_squared
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 09:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The more sorted = more ponies

(Data source: http://motoprofi.com/)
’00 X1 – 95 HP @ 6200 RPM/85.29 ft-lbs @ 5600 RPM
’02 X1 – 101 HP @ 6000 RPM/89.74 ft-lbs @ 5500 RPM

If that data is correct, 6 more HP and ~5.5 ft-lbs more torque.
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Buellsrule
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 10:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm not sure where motoprofi get's there info. but there is no mechanical difference between an '02 and a '00. The engines were the same in every respect. Buell did an ecm update to improve driveability but this did not change peak HP or TQ numbers according to Buell.
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Kalali
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 10:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"’00 X1 – 95 HP @ 6200 RPM/85.29 ft-lbs @ 5600 RPM"

My '00 X1 Owners Manual says 101 HP and 90 lb-ft. Don't remember the RPM off hand.
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Kalali
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And the only obvious difference is the "improved" shift linkage assembly.
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks. I've got 01+ shifter on my 00 too. Just wondering if there is any reason to get the 02 manual. If I buy the 02 it will need engine work. Just the winter project I was looking for!
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There are differences in the motors from 1999-2000 having to do with the lifters. I think there may have been flywheel changes too. The rated HP/torque numbers didn't change though.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 04:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"’00 X1 – 95 HP @ 6200 RPM/85.29 ft-lbs @ 5600 RPM"

I suspect these are rear wheel numbers, not flywheel numbers (like the factory uses).
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P_squared
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 05:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Again, I can't vouch to the accuracy of the source. Just found the site the other day & seemed to be a quick & easy reference for model differences.

It would be interesting to dyno 'identical' bikes from '00 & '02 to see if there really is a difference & if so, where in the power the difference occurs.

I'll put that on my bucket list of things to do.
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Jstfrfun
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 07:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From what I've been told(Al at American Sport Bike), the differences are the flywheel is lighter by 10% and 2nd gear was also different(ratio unclear),also some changes in temp sensor location and oil passage in the side cover.

So the flywheel change and 2nd gear make for a REAL difference in the seat of the pants feel!
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Lemonchili_x1
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 11:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think the '02's had some recall stuff as standard? The shock and the exhaust mount maybe?
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Buellsrule
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 12:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The change was between '99 and '00. Not '00 and '02. Even still the '99's and the '00's made the same power. 101HP at the crank. BR.
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Mbsween
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The 14.5" shock came on the 01 as did the improved shift linkage. The only differences between an 01 and an 02 were colors and logos.

The 01 was the only year that didn't get any recalls
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And of course, the 99's had the completely unnecessary scoops in the fuel cell cover. They look bad arse though.
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 06:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I put the 99 tank cover on my 00 for the scoops.

Well, it's official! I bought the 2002. Now I'll just have to wait for it to be shipped.

My plan after I get it running is to put the nuclear wheels and molten plastics from my 2000 onto the 2002, then sell the 2000 model.

I'm interested in seeing how much difference the flywheel and 2nd gear make on a butt dyno.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

PK - you'll notice the difference.

My S1W (stock thunderstorm w/Buell race kit) and my S2 (thunderstormed, X1 cams, Buell race muffler, Buell S1W race ignition) are set up basically the same way. HUGE difference between the two, and the weights aren't *that* different.

Duh, forgot to post first time out (edit) - the S2 has the heavy Sporty flywheels, the S1W has lighter wheels - that's the main diff between the two.

(Message edited by ratbuell on December 18, 2008)
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2009 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well the '02 just got delivered. Battery is dead so I put her on the charger. Tomorrow is gonna be a LOOONG day at work waiting to get home and check out "Black Betty".
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Kalali
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2009 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Congratulations...
The best thing after having a Tuber is having two Tubers...
From where I sit, this cold weather and not being able to ride is killing me...
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Sloppy
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2009 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The '00 and '02 have the same engine and tranny. There are no dyno differences from the factory.

From memory, the changes were cosmetic - instead of paint, the plastic had the color throughout the part and a different shift linkage. There was an ecm change, but I thought that was done on '99 to '00. '02 also had some cool frame colors!
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Hurricaneleah
Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 - 08:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Some late build 2002's got the XB rods. Same thing for 2003 XL sportsters.
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Akbuell
Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 11:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In browsing through my '01SM, there are detail changes noted here and there. For example, the section on the oil pump states that '01 models have a new style pump; the gearcase section advises 'new high contact ratio cam gears' ect.

So essentially the same bike, but with detail improvements. I don't know if any of the differences would involve torque or wear specs.

Hope this helps, Dave
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

99% sure the 2002's front cylinder has a broken connecting rod.

Buell only sells flywheels, crank, rods as 1 whole unit so I may be looking to repair it with aftermarket parts.

If that starts looking too expensive there will be a lot of 2002 X1 parts in the classifieds soon.
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Yo_barry
Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The 2000 probably has the thinner primary chain tension shoe. This should be replaced on the 2000 if not already done. The 02 came from the factory with the beefer part.
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Buellsrule
Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 03:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How do you know it's a connecting rod? If it is, you can find them on ebay cheap. This is a major repair. Before you part it out consider posting it for sale here on the BadWeb.
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Jstfrfun
Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You could do an engine swap, from the 2k to the '02. Since the differences are the cleaned up ECM and all the re-call stuff is sorted out.

BTW how much did this '02 cost?
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 05:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

$2025 for the '02 + $519 for shipping it.

I had it in the truck today and ran by a shop to check on parts prices. One of the mechanics said he was interested in buying it. I told him an offer over $3k and it's his. I'll be going back Friday to see if he wants it or not.

Doesn't matter to me either way. I'm not interested in swapping engines because my '00 runs fine so IMHO would be a pointless PITA. If the guy doesn't offer enough I'll have a cheap bike to take apart and learn something. Don't have to worry about breaking anything
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Jstfrfun
Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 07:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, I guess you get what you pay for. I would have smelled a rat for that amount. Pity you can't whoop some a$$ for sending you a broke dic dog.

That said, it would be a great project if in fact the rod is bad(and not to much internal damage)and not something else,like a bearing or broken ring.

Time to brush-up on your engine skills!
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It was advertised as a non-running bike. Said the plugs had been pulled, front plug was bent and nothing else was looked at.

I normally wouldn't have jumped at something like that, but this one caught my attention for some reason.
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